Dying Light PC (High/Low) vs. PS4 Screenshot Comparison: PS4 Holds Surprisingly Well At 1080p Against PC

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Dying Light is a recently released open world survival horror adventure from the creators of Dead Island series. This new IP aims to take the already successful formula of Dead Island series and adds parkour elements to the mix. Players can roam around in an open world where danger lurks around every corner. The ability to use parkour to climb almost any obstacle certainly makes the gameplay much more fun than the simple hack and slash of Dead Island.

Now that Dying Light is out on all the current generation platforms and PC, it is time to see how well the PS4 version manages to hold against the PC version of the game.

The first comparison is between the High quality preset (the max possible settings on PC) to the PS4 version.

PC version (High) versus PS4 version (Click on each link for image or check the slider comparison below)

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Next up is the PC version at the lowest settings against the PS4 version.

PC version (Low) versus PS4 version

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The above comparison makes it clear the PS4 version is running at close to high settings on PC, albeit with tweaks to the shadows/textures and draw distance.

Finally here is another comparison between the PC version (High) and PS4 version.

PC version (High) versus PS4 version

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If anything is apparent from the above comparison, it is the fact that Dying Light seems to be well optimized for the consoles, atleast in term of graphical features. The game manages to hold well against the PC version of the game, but with the restriction of 30 fps compared to the 60+ fps for the PC version (provided you have the hardware for it). If you don’t own a good PC rig to play Dying Light, the PS4 version should be a good option.

What do you think about this comparison? Let us know in the comments below.

  • New meta

    There is flying rooftop and missing tree in PS4 version. In the witcher 3, dying light, etc. you can see weapons are like drawn with cryons and even PC low version is detailed. I hate when people say my 450 is weaker than PS4.

    • New meta

      Flying rooftop and transparent house. Less objects drawn with swallow draw distance, so, yes, even low pc is better. You get what you pay for.

  • HumpbackedChub

    Here’s a more accurate comparison.

    As you can see, the “lego trees” are present on BOTH platforms.

  • JoeGamer

    My GTX 750 TI FTW beats out my PS4 is sheer power but developers will never spend years tweaking my PC video card getting the most juice they can out of it. Why? Well, the nature of PC’s mean there will be countless types of hardware people are using so there can never truly optimized performance per card. The best standard we get is Direct X.

    Now consider and compare the difference of graphic quality between games at PS3 launch back in 2006 to “The Last of Us” on PS3. PC developer’s answer instead of learning and optimizing is throw more power at it and we go out an buy $200+ graphic cards to run 1 or 2 games then do it all over again.

    These pointless system stoking sessions make no sense whatsoever. Consoles are less powerful and developers must learn to squeeze out the juice so to speak, PC developers are power whores and force us to upgrade to much more powerful hardware becuase there is no gaming standardized hardware. It’s really that simple, it’s not a matter of what is more powerful. PC’s need more power to run the same games, period. There is a threshold that consoles reach where they can no longer keep up and they’ve done all they can with the hardware so a new generation is released and it’s living room and couch gaming at it’s finest, this generation. It’s the same reason why MAC enjoyed an edge on PC for decades, they use certified standardized hardware.

  • Clerigo

    PS4 pics looks better than PC max settings

  • AMK

    PS4 version is around medium and low, High is just too great on PC, only blind will suggest otherwise, and no you dont need to spend $1500 for beating consoles…. even a $550 pc will eat PS4 alive….

  • The Glorious PC Master Race

    Nice level of detail you have there Sony peasants.

  • The Glorious PC Master Race

    OH I am laughing

    • Jacob

      Lego trees vs no trees.

      • cob

        The point is, PS4 uses 2D sprites for the trees at a distance, and even on the lowest setting the PC still uses 3D models for the trees.

        • Jacob

          You have no point because it’s completely irrelevant. If you spend your time looking at things in the far distance that you wouldn’t notice were any different than consoles unless shown a comparison, then you’re playing games the wrong way.

          • cob

            How is it irrelevant? The point is these console are supposed to be “next-gen”, yet they are pathetic compared to a mid-spec PC. The game runs at a graphic setting that is lower than the lowest on PC. Not to mention the game runs at a pathetic 30fps.

            > If you spend your time looking at things in the far distance that you wouldn’t notice were any different than consoles unless shown a comparison, then you’re playing games the wrong way.

            The game looks better in every aspect, not just at a distance. Personally I’d say playing fps game with wigglesticks @ 30fps on the lowest graphic settings possible is playing games the wrong way, or at least playing them the vastly inferior way.

          • Jacob

            If you honestly thought “next-gen” consoles are supposed to compare to PCs in any way, then you really don’t understand how gaming works. No one in their right mind would compare the two. They are both in different leagues.

          • Queer

            Tell that to the hordes of fan boys and ambiguous advertising then… there are a frightening large amount of people who are, ‘not in their right mind.’

          • Jacob

            Most people are stupid, what do you expect?

          • HYPERTiZ

            well atleast its energy efficient I guess 😐

            other then that kind of pointless.

          • New meta

            Draw distance is important since you have to plan your track in advance.

        • HYPERTiZ

          which lowers performance taxing and highers the change of obtaining steady framerate

          • cob

            You mean to say lower graphic settings raise framerate?!?!? Well no fucking shit.

            But that is my point, the fact the PS4 is so weak they need to cut corners where ever possible and can still only reach 30fps.

    • HumpbackedChub

      Here’s a more accurate comparison from a non-biased source as I have the game on both PS4 and PC.

      As you can see, the “lego trees” are present on BOTH platforms.

      • HYPERTiZ

        it does make the game not be potentially laggy as hell for people who spent $2000 build

    • HYPERTiZ

      Its for the purpose of rendering the ps4 able to render at high visuals 😐 and steady 30 fps.

      oh well.. here comes my future gtx 970 at 1080p 60fps on low-medium because I dont care about graphics as much since i game on a extremely weak TravelMate 4730 that can BARELY run Dead Island at 10-16 fps at 70 FOV 640 840 res and low everything.

    • New meta

      Also there is flying rooftop on PS4 version, transparent building, missing trees and crayon textures. PC Low is better.

  • The Glorious PC Master Race

    So looking the same an inferior 30FPS vs a superior 60FPS on PC.

    Doesn’t take a genius. If you are stupid, buy the PS4 version. If you want quality at a cheaper price, buy the PC version.

  • Megan Meadowcroft

    PC the master race? lol

    • Mr_Assault

      just cause you are good looking i’ll let that slide. But still, PC does have an edge.

    • The Glorious PC Master Race

      LOL defending 30FPS.

      60FPS is a standard. 30FPS is a joke just like “Next Gen”

      • Megan Meadowcroft

        PC Gaming sucks

        • The Glorious PC Master Race

          Cry those thirty tears per second, peasant.

          • Megan Meadowcroft

            ..meh

  • yardie

    i have a $750 PC

  • Ivan Zana

    Whoa the pc version looks so much better. Too bad the guy who screen grabbed these images didnt set up his video quality…. Yes kids, on computers you have to do that to get best quality.

  • corvusmd

    It just seems weird to me that I can look at these screens and tell which is which right away without being labeled (even in the PC Low mode). …and the title is “PS4 hold up surprisingly well”. Then in comparisons with X1, it’s nearly impossible to notice a difference…and there are several people that go around acting like there is a massive difference between the X1/PS4 version…it’s kinda just showing that people are seeing what they want to see.

    If it’s X1 vs PS4…people get real critical and point out every little detail like a game detective. If it’s PS4 vs PC it’s more like “well we can see the same area of the map and there is a sun, so it’s the same”.

    That being said, the game looks great all around, on PC and Console…so just enjoy it wherever you got it.

    Last night I did that whole “I’ll just play for a quick 30 mins then go to bed……” then I proceeded to say that 4 more times.

  • SynKronized901 .

    Listen to the pc nerds! Your the saddest twats on the internet.

    • cob

      Looking at your comment history you’re just as much of an insecure twat as the “PC nerds”, except you’re an even bigger spastic because you game on consoles.

      • SynKronized901 .

        ‘Spastic?’ Wow, thats nice. I game on consoles for ease of use. I used to game on pc, but the community’s crap, and consoles get the better exclusives. You can dry your eyes now, nerd

        • cob

          Yeah, I’m sure you fit right in with the community of unintelligent 12 year olds.

          “Better exclusives” Lmao, ok. Enjoy those rehashed kiddygames, bro.

          • SynKronized901 .

            Another pc bore. About as interresting as watching wet paint dry zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • PIRATE or NINJA

    if you dont tell us the specs of the PC used then this whole thing is completely pointless. dont even bother

  • Money Meng

    i have both a console and pc. there’s advantages and disadvantages to both so just shut up with all the debating.

  • hutyutyutyu

    Both comparison pictures are useless, as made different ingame times. On ps4 pictures taken at sunrise, the pc pictures taken much later.

  • Thad Vanity

    I heard Xbox was a good console…..

    • corvusmd

      It is, it’s awesome. I love my X1. I love my PS4 and Wii U too, however, I freely admit that my X1 is my favorite of the 3…it seems like the most well-rounded console of them all.

  • Deebo

    PC gaming is about having the best version of the game. It’s not about how many times better a given game is for the money. If your happy with all of your games being less than they are meant to be, more power to you. My gaming rig cost me about a grand to build (mini-itx mobo, i5-4690k, 7970 ghz, 16 GB), its tiny, and sits in the living room. So yeah it was $600 more than the vastly inferior PS4.. I have made that back easily as PC games are cheaper on steam then for the consoles. Dragon Age Origins was $47 bucks day 1, Farcry 4 was $47 on a steam sale shortly after release, and I just picked up Dying Light for $45 on GMG. if you wait a few months those prices will be slashed in half. So enjoy the PS4, that’s cool, inferior…… but cool.

  • andy

    Damn if only this game was a PC exclusive it would have been so jaw dropping. Damn you consoles, why couldn’t you give PC gamers a massively different and noticeable next gen difference over the consoles version like the HUNDREDS of other PC exclusive games out there that drop our jaws like ……………………………………NOTHING FOUND….. oh wait The Sims 4 ^_^

    • hjh

      Just the names of pc gamers tells you everything you need to know about them. Fucking nerds. .

    • Bilal Prince- Ali

      which 100’s of games are these lol..?

    • The Glorious PC Master Race

      POS4 exclusives. Don’t make me laugh, shill.

  • Nuclear

    Who spends 1500$ on a pc to play the same game ?

    • ScottyHoss

      I max this game with a 800 dollar PC at 60FPS Vsync. So what you’re saying is kind of fanboy rubbish, but I’m sure you know that. They play it on PC for sales on games, customization and superior graphics for those who prefer it. I have both, personally for me it’s the best option.

      • Spencer

        Really? What $800 hardware do you have that’s maxing this game?

        • ScottyHoss

          Got GTX 970 GB Gaming OC Edition for 200, i5 4690k with free GB Ultra durable MB for 250, 8G (4GBx2) Ripjaws, Tesseract Case and a lot of fans, 700w PSU for I think 80? I forget, but it was cheaper than the bronze on sale, student discount on Window 8 (soon to be 10 with the free upgrade, and just think about DX12 too), you just gotta pick the right time to buy, there are sites that monitor the prices and email if you can get a better deal. Flash sales as well 😀

          • Chris S

            How the F did you get a GTX 970 for 200$ I have been getting emails all the time and I have not seen any GTX 970 sell for less than 300$ I simply don’t believe you got a 150$ discount on a MSI, EVGA, or Asus GTX 970.

          • ScottyHoss

            It was at memory express in Canada, black Friday 😛 initially it was 300 but I was the sole customer there at 8 when the staff first arrive to prepare so I got 33% off sale price for ‘ doing black Friday right’ as the manager said 🙂 I later learned it was a local sale as my friend bought 3 that day in the SW location (I’m NW) for 600.

            All other components were online.

        • Luke H

          It’s really easy to make a 800-1000 pc, GTX 970, 4690k, 8 Gigs of ram, everything else you go as cheap as possible and buy a 650-750watt psu.

        • DCtheEE

          Built my co-worker’s son a PC for around that. I guarantee you it’ll run this game at a steady 60 FPS, 1080p, while streaming, while running Folding@Home.

    • @thefailure

      I have a $1200 PC, and that is to play every cross platform game on it. Also connected to the living room 60″ TV so I squash the only benefit of console gaming over PC.

      • andy

        Good luck playing The Witcher 3 with any massive benefit over the likes of the PS4 version, most CERTAINLY not 3 times the benefit like the difference between your PC and the price of a PS4.

        • Ariel Rodriguez

          you’re joking right?

          • Guest

            He’s a $0N¥ PAUPER, they live in a world of makebelief made from lies and overhype. Their low IQ isn’t enough to overcome that.

          • SynKronized901 .

            But your’re the tool calling people paupers because they game on consoles. What a sad twat. Get a life twat!

          • coolgamer

            you must live in a world where you don’t even have a health insurance, must work 30 hours a day, while your government is printing 100 billion $ every single day, and spending them on spying you, every fart and burp you make, every time you watch a p0rn movie (they must need lots of hard drive, to log all the activity..), on wars, and on tons of other crap.

            just be happy with your american 720p next-gen xbox one console, made with american specs, american features, for american ignorants, who prefer playing inferior games and ports on a console, just because they remain loyal to the brand that has been deep fcking them hard, with a 60$ gold membership, just to be able to play online. since 2005.
            yeah. you and your race are soo soo smart. it’s mind boggling, how smart you guys are.

            maybe 20-40 million gamers are still playing with their first fat ps3. how can we be soo idiot to the point of accepting a RROD console, then, another 1. then, another one. then, a 4th one. then, a 5th one.i’m talking about the x360 slab of craap.

            don’t be jealous of people who could afford a 700$ console, or 1000-1200$, in euros-other currencies.

            tell me, smart guy, WHO is the one living in a world of promises, dreams, fantastic esram, amazing cloud processing, incredible hidden cpu-gpu power, terrific dev teams, powerful directx12, excellent PR announcements, great fantastic features, etc etc ?
            yes, it’s the smart assses like you. so smart, you guys are.
            and yet another game where the ps4 version will be the superior one, with the best visuals, textures, graphics, effects, shadows, antialiasing, etc etc, at 1080p, vs the poor last-gen like 900p x1 version. yes, i’m talking about the witcher 3.
            just another AAA title where you guys will be playing the INFERIOR VERSION. how does it taste and feel ?

            2014, the x1 had a hard time running games at 720p, let alone 900 or 1080p, while the ps4, was easily delivering those glorious 1080p visuals.
            what is the next game to be announced, running at 1080p on ps4, and 720p-900p on the x1 ? the new metal gear solid ? or pretty much every single AAA-normal game out there ?

            it’s soo great, knowing you guys are still waiting for the next big lie-announcement from micro soft, about this or that great new feature, that will double the x1 power.
            keep on dreaming. keep on being faithful towards a brand that doesn’t give a fck about gaming, games and you, and are in the industry just to spoil sony-nintendo party, so they’re not alone in the living-room.
            keep on supporting micro soft, they will thank you with a games with gold amazing free title, like tetris.

            LOL.

          • The Glorious PC Master Race

            Ah, so responding to a glorious PC Master by calling them an xbot as usual.

            Such is the “Inteligence” of someone who bought a low powered APU garbage console called the PS4 :^)

          • DrumStickNinja

            I’ll let you wipe my glorious ass you fat virgin fauq.

          • The Glorious PC Master Race

            Keep crying those thirty tears per second, peasant :^)

          • Thad Vanity

            LMFAO. And downward he laughs from his Ivory Tower of PC majesty.

            How does it taste and feel to know you’ll be playing the inferior version? On your PS4…

            Man, you gotta be so dumb though; to post something like that. Dumb & 12 years old.

        • @thefailure

          I didn’t build a gaming PC to play cross platform games as a value proposition as opposed to the PS4 & Xbox One I both own. I built it to experience games at their utmost potential and not be hampered by lesser machines. This isn’t me preaching, as I enjoy both current gen consoles for what they are and their respective upcoming exclusives.

          And Yes, displaying the developers unbounded artistic vision on a 60″ television, in full 1080p with all the bleeding edge visuals cranked to maximum on my PC will indeed yield a MASSIVE benefit over the PS4 version.

          Subjectively.

        • durka durka

          If you think even for a second that witcher 3 will look and run better on ps4 , you are greatly mistaken.

          So far even the 120$ 750 ti provides better perfomance on any game, this generation consoles dont have a “optimization” argument, you can get console perfomance on console settings on a 400$ pc. Going maxed out however is impossible without spending some serious money consoles are FAR from maxed out.

        • psyrakan

          now this bullshit

        • The Glorious PC Master Race

          60FPS.

          Just like your console, your point is invalid and useless :^)

        • CorinthiansFootbalClub

          One year…and who pay 1200 k PC is certainly reached by PS4 user and its overpriced games.

          STEAM sales…FTW!

      • GRIBBLEGRUNGER

        Pony paupers are deep in desperate mode, begging readers in here and N4G to bend over and give $400 donation for the sinking ship Sony.

        The cheap company deserves cheap price tags..

        • Jecht_Sin

          What a pauper moron. lol

          Come on, GRIBBLEGRUNGER. Now go on, delete your post again to hide the username.

          • durka durka

            hahah keep suckings sonys d kid.

          • CorinthiansFootbalClub

            durka u around here?! lmao!

          • durka durka

            Meaning?

          • CorinthiansFootbalClub

            r u always up with that dry personality? come on boy…u can smile! ….so smile ! lmao!

          • durka durka

            again meaning? Digital foundry confiremd the pc version runs under the lowest pc settings.

          • The Glorious PC Master Race

            What a butthurt Sony shill trying to defend 30FPS

        • vishmarx

          wtf did i just read?

          by your logic
          worldwide sales fact
          toilet paper rolls>>>>all of ms platforms combined

          • The Glorious PC Master Race

            Toilet paper wipes up sh*t so of course it beats consoles :^)

        • SynKronized901 .

          What a dickhead.

        • New meta

          I am pretty sure 1.8TF is overrated since it would be enough for PC ultra textures. My 2011 gaming laptop still runs everything on ultra 1080p fine with just stupid and unwanted things like DoF and motion blur turned off.

          • New meta

            The thing is once you produce a chip it is virtually impossible to be scanned and they can say whatever specs they want. I am a physicist, not a engineer but close enough.

      • Bjørn Bjoernsen

        You mean, split-screen?

      • Bilal Prince- Ali

        what about exclusive AAA games…? or physical social interaction..?

        • @thefailure

          If you read in my reply I explain that I own both current gen systems

          • Bilal Prince- Ali

            NO! im GENUINELY not trollling you here! lol i actually like your comments because they’re coherent and not your typical ‘PC Master race’ garbage replies that have NOTHING to do with the general convo lol, ive even up voted a few of your comments i believe, im just GENUINELY asking you because im a video games designer at uni in the UK and we tend to have this debate/convo at uni ever so often, so i was just wondering, my bad if you took it the wrong way honestly lol

        • DCtheEE

          Couch co-op or local multiplayer games are making a HUGE comeback on PC. Developers finally realized that people are getting either Xbox receivers or Bluetooth dongles for their PCs and attaching controllers.

          • Bilal Prince- Ali

            oh really.. i actually wasn’t aware about that on PC but on consoles quite a few indi studios are bringing local multiplayer back too tbh, and not to mention my Wii U, which lives and breathes local co-op lol

      • coolgamer

        that one is #2
        number one is : having 100% of games for FREE, downloadable day 1 from torrent-direct download.

        also, your 1200$ rig, i could bet a ps4 with you, 100% of the games that will release in 2-3 months, you won’t be able to run them at maximum settings.

        another thing, the ” i have 300fps with my super pc” argument, is just shiiit. most tvs can barely display 60fps, and we still need to activate some gaming modes, to reduce lag, etc.

        so, at the end
        -you are limited to 60fps or less, on your tv, with huge lag
        – you can’t play the latest games at ultra settings, with everything ON
        – you are limited to 1080p

        -you will be missing the best possible visuals the game allows, at ultra, because of your hardware
        – you will be missing the ultra high 1440p or 4k the game allows, with the good hardware, which you don’t have
        -etc etc

        so, if at the end, you only play your pc games at 1080p, high settings, and 30-60fps,
        let me tell you, bud, 1200$ is just too much.
        you can have EXACTLY the same, for 399$, with a ps4.
        of course, on your ps4, you need to buy your games, unlike on pc, where you just need to do a “save file as”, mount the iso, an go. or “add torrent to queue”.

        i have played games on pc for almost 15 years. but choosing between a 0 effort console, and a never-ending-upgrade pc, my choice was easy.

        it is just too frustating, having a pc, playing a game at a certain resolution and framerate, and knowing, for some EXTRA 500-600-xxxx $/€, with a better graphic card, a better cpu, etc etc, and a great monitor, we could be playing the same game with the best graphics the game engine can output. but instead, we’re limited by our specs.

        and the day we finally acquire some new and nice hardware, 1 month later, another AAA game is released, and to play it with the best possible visuals, our hardware won’t be powerful enough.
        that race never ends. never.

        • The Glorious PC Master Race

          $1200? More like $600 for a console destroying PC. $500 even with rebates.

          And how is 30FPS exactly the same as 60FPS. Or mods. Or cheaper games.

          You are one hilarious liar and a stupid sony shill like the rest of them.

          • DrumStickNinja

            This troll here plagues the net everywhere, I’ve seen you proven wrong time and time again.

            Show us the builds and include all the components this time

            Then show us exact performance comparisons because you are wrong.

          • New meta

            PC low settings beat PS4 so I can make you 200$ PC from used parts that beats PS4 / 300$ new parts.

          • HYPERTiZ

            if you were to move the camera very quickly with an oponent attempting to attack you, the enemy wouldn’t appear smooth and besides. for a game like this wouldnt you think faster input latency is better?

        • Thad Vanity

          “most tvs can barely display 60fps” Correction: Most TVs are 60hz and can display 60fps quite readily. Tool.

          But as an MLG pro you’d know everything about input lag and its relation to fps. Obviously.

          “you can have EXACTLY the same, for 399$, with a ps4.” The greatest lie ever sold.

          You have a limited function console. I have a Computer whose only functional limit compared to a PS4 is specific game exclusivity.

          That list in reverse however; is near endless. Brimming with things a console can’t do but a Computer can.

          I wonder: Do you own a Windows or Mac Computer? Was it free?

        • @thefailure

          I never torrent any of my games, If you don’t support the content creators your just a leech sucking the life out of the industry, furthering DLC and padded content.

          I do however buy most of my games digitally on PC and can usually get day one releases for around $40 dollars, so over the course of a year I’m actually saving money buying more expensive hardware along with cheaper games.
          Please don’t bring up the trade in argument either. Along with my first point, the fact that used games still exist do affect design decisions negatively. Which is why I don’t buy or trade in used games on console.

          I didn’t build a gaming PC to play cross platform games as a value proposition as opposed to the PS4 & Xbox One I both own. I built it to experience games at their utmost potential and not be hampered by lesser machines. This isn’t me preaching, as I enjoy both current gen consoles for what they are and their respective upcoming exclusives.

          Also, 60FPS 1080p is ideal for me and anything beyond that yields no benefit as I sit a few feet away of a large TV that does not have any noticeable input lag. The current PC hardware I own surpasses the Witcher 3’s recommended specs by about a 15% margin, so theoretically I actually should be able to run this years games at maximum settings, less MSAA.

          And Yes, displaying the developers unbounded artistic vision on a 60″ television, in full 1080p with all the bleeding edge visuals cranked to maximum on my PC will indeed yield a MASSIVE benefit over the PS4 version.

          Subjectively.

          I am platform agnostic, and play each on a per game basis.

        • cob

          Holy shit, you’re a fucking retard. Everything is said is wrong, you are completely clueless.

        • Newbtastic

          I built a ~$2000 PC nearly 4 years ago and I’m still maxing all games and get well over 60 FPS. My PC still surpasses the recommended specs of new games yet to come out on PC (Witcher 3, GTA V). I’m set even for this generation of consoles. And I’ve spent WAY, WAY less on my game library than if I had bought a console. I’ve got almost 400 games on Steam and they’ll be playable on PC for the next 10 consoles.

          • DrumStickNinja

            What’s your build?

            PS4 is better

          • Newbtastic

            (The important stuff) i7- 3770k @ 4.4GHz, 16GB DDR3, 2x GTX 680 SLI, 3 SSDs.

          • DrumStickNinja

            So you had a GTX 680 4 years ago and an i7-3770k? I smell BS.

          • Newbtastic

            I said nearly 4 years ago (I think it’s closer to 3). And why do you smell BS? What’s so hard to believe about someone with a job dropping a couple thousand on a computer?

        • Newbtastic

          I built a ~$2000 PC nearly 4 years ago and I’m still maxing all games and get well over 60 FPS. My PC still surpasses the recommended specs of new games yet to come out on PC (Witcher 3, GTA V). I’m set even for this generation of consoles. And I’ve spent WAY, WAY less on my game library than if I had bought a console. I’ve got almost 400 games on Steam and they’ll be playable on PC for the next 10 consoles.

        • SpaceRace

          And even then that outdated $1200 PC would still get better graphics/better framerates/ more games/ mods than the PS4.

          • DrumStickNinja

            lol you are a dumb ass douche

          • Newbtastic

            Why would you say that? He’s totally correct. You just insult him because you’re bitter?

          • SpaceRace

            You’re a dick sucking faggot who clearly craves Kaz Hirai’s cock.

      • Allen

        I disagree. PC is great but it doesn’t have the amazing exclusives it use to have. Sure it has some good ones like Civ V and soon Star Citizen but it doesn’t have the attention and exclusives it use to. It’s just not worth spending 3 times as much on a PC like you did. I have a mid range gaming PC for the PC exclusives and the xbox exclusives that go to PC and PS4/PS3/WiiU for all the console exclusives.

        PC just doesn’t “squash” consoles. It’s a good option for sure though.

        I don’t like PC for the living room either. UI is bad as is controls outside of big picture mode or navigating. Big Picture helps a ton yes but console is still better for the living room because of ease.

        That’s the other reason I keep my PC midrange. I’m not into playing with settings or anything anymore, keep it simple and just enjoy games. I don’t have the time I use to and prefer to just enjoy myself.

        to each his own but I prefer PS4 for most my gaming. All the games I care about it are on it, I get the free exclusive content in AAA multi plats, I get the huge free games with PS+, comfort and ease of use for the living room. Great features like virtual couch and friend spectate/take over mode and video capture without use of a card, great features in controller that emmerse me into the game (touch pad, light bar, speaker, gyros) as example GTA V, when police are after you the light bar flashes red and blue. light bar/ Gyro and speaker in infamous, speaker in Shadow of Mordor, touch pad is actually been great both as two buttons and the touch pad function.

        Anyways don’t be a PC master race douche. PC is great but my PC simply complements my consoles.

        • The Glorious PC Master Race

          PC squashes consoles. PS4 is irrelevant.

          Nice try marketer. Your 30FPS insult holds back the gaming industry with it’s paid online and garbage hardware

          • Allen

            And this my friends is the PC douche I was talking about. Don’t be like this PC gamer, don’t be a douche.

          • The Glorious PC Master Race

            30FPS means your argument is invalid, peasant.

          • New meta

            The thing is from the same money for PS4, you can buy PC that runs double the frames. I even saw that in mostly-console-oriented gamespot video.

          • Allen

            I will gladly put whatever junk specs you got for a $400 PC and let you know all the different components you are missing.

            (1) There is no PC build including all the parts at $400 that can meet or beat PS4.
            (2) Even if you were able to the PC will need to be upgraded very soon and likely couldn’t be compatible with new games at recommended settings.
            (3) About a year ago I thought I could get away with building a PC for my lil bro for about $500. I was wrong, with only 8gb of ram we ended up at $1000 including windows and a monitor and even then he had to replace his power supply within months and he’s already looking at upgrading ram and graphics card.

            that’s the thing with PC. It “can” be the best…if you put the time and money into it and know what you are doing so that you don’t have compatibility issues and crash constantly. It’s not that hard to do but it certainly is a far cry away from plug n play PS4 equiv to a mid to high range gaming PC. Capable of producing 1080p native in almost all games and very solid 30fps when not 60fps. PC for slightly more detail, 4k if you got the monitor/tv to handle and more frames per second. Whoopty do. I don’t care.

        • @thefailure

          I didn’t build a gaming PC to play cross platform games as a value proposition as opposed to the PS4 & Xbox One I both own. I built it to experience games at their utmost potential and not be hampered by lesser machines. This isn’t me preaching, as I enjoy both current gen consoles for what they are and their respective upcoming exclusives.

          And Yes, displaying the developers unbounded artistic vision on a 60″ television, in full 1080p with all the bleeding edge visuals cranked to maximum on my PC will indeed yield a MASSIVE benefit over the PS4 version.

          Subjectively.

          • DrumStickNinja

            So the fauq what? “I didn’t build a gaming PC to play cross plat games” bla bla bla

            Who the fk cares? PS4 is the most powerful console ever made and is being compared to PC high settings here. PS4 is great, I don’t care about what you want or how you blew your money on some PC that doesn’t give me what my console does. I care that I only paid $399 and get everything I wanted and then some. And now I get to see PC morons like you cry like a little bitch because PS4 is being compared to high end PC. LOL you fools are hilarious.

          • @thefailure

            Did you not see that I said I own all the current gen platforms? People who champion brands and products like flag bearers are idiots. I play games on all platforms because I enjoy games and this clearly offends you.

          • @thefailure

            You quote me without the complete sentence, I didn’t build it as a value proposition I said, therefore the incomplete quote is in direct contradiction to my actual statement. Regardless, I own ALL current gen consoles as well as a gaming PC. If I buy a game I purchase it for the platform that will provide me with the best experience, and that is on a per title basis. Each platform has their strengths and weaknesses and each serve a purpose, which is why I own them all.

        • cob

          Yeah console exclusives are great. That’s why every console game dies out within a year and publishers need to release the same rehashed shit every year and need tons of marketing to get games to sell. Meanwhile PC has the most popular multiplayer games in existence that have a lifespan of years and years.

          You don’t need to spend 3 times the amount, go educate yourself. You can spend around $600 for a rig that is much better than the PS4, and you will save money in the long run with cheaper games and no online fees.

          But yeah, each to their own. PC for the actual gamers, consoles for the casuals.

          • DCtheEE

            Lack of dedicated servers it the death-knell for console games, perhaps more than the planned-obsolescence by yearly title updates.

            I can hop on my computer today and launch my Unreal Tournament server browser and find hundreds of still-running servers with players. This is a 16 year old game we’re talking about.

          • Allen

            So many of you PC master race douche bags here.

            (1) Name a couple because you don’t know what you are talking about.

            Oh and I love how Red Dead Redemption (game of the generation last gen) never made it to PC. Destiny is a long way if ever from coming to PC and GTA V – hell is that old game even out on PC yet?

            (2) I built a PC last year and thought I could get away with about $600 but no. I ended up at $1000 + and have had to replace my power supply since.

            So many builds online missing tons of components so show me your build.

            (3) You say I’m not a true gamer YET I’M THE ONE THAT CAN PLAY PRETTY MUCH EVERY GAME EVER MADE.

            PC – Emulators for old school games, tons of software still compatible, cheap steam games, free online play. Home media server (complementing my PS3/PS4).

            PS3/PS4 – True exclusives, free exclusive content in AAA multi plats, comfort and ease of use in the living room, valuable subscription service, great support & features (plus all my friends are gaming on it).

            WiiU – True exclusives, 2nd Netflix/browser tablet….that’s about it but I love it.

            All my retro – NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, PS1, PS2

            pretty much every game ever made.

            While you…as a PC master race douche bag miss out on huge great games like Destiny, Red Dead Redemption & GTA V.

            While you miss out on all the true console exclusives.

            Yeah I know a true gamer. A true gamer wouldn’t bitch about the most powerful console ever built being only as powerful as a mid to high range gaming PC. A true gamer wouldn’t hold themselves back from playing amazing games only available on a console because of some resolutions or frame rates.

            Hell I played space quest the other day from the 80’s and had a blast. OMG it was on PC and it wasn’t 1440p at 120 FPS.

          • cob

            Dota, LoL, Counter-Strike, Starcraft. All extremely popular games that have been around for years that don’t need constant iterations and tons of marketing. Dota and LoL alone completely blitz the popularity of ANY console game. No console game has the longevity of a good PC game.

            True, holding games hostage is the only thing console are good at it. MS/Sony need someway to push those potato boxes. Plus Destiny is a terrible game.

            Not my fault you don’t know how to build a PC. There are plenty of examples of $500 PCs outperforming the PS4/XBONE. Go check Gamespot, they did 2 different builds.

            “free exclusive content in AAA multi plats”

            Yep. Free. Once you ignore the cost of PSN. And the fact you lose the game when you cancel your sub.

            “Yeah I know a true gamer. A true gamer wouldn’t bitch about the most powerful console ever built being only as powerful as a mid to high range gaming PC”

            Low to mid*

            ” A true gamer wouldn’t hold themselves back from playing amazing games only available on a console because of some resolutions or frame rates.”

            I don’t enjoy watching blurry slide shows. God forbid I don’t share the same low standards that you do.

            At the end of the day, all consoles really do is monopolize and hold games hostage. It’s a fact that every game is going to be objectively better on a good PC (shitty devs aside). By supporting the console industry you are just helping to hold back the entire gaming and technology because you refuse to educate yourself.

          • Allen

            Dota is a good game. Not my style.
            Counter Strike is on consoles (although I do miss 1.6 and source).
            Starcraft – again not my style but okay.

            I absolutely disagree with you though. You’ve missed out on Red Dead Redemption, Destiny, GTA V waiting for ever and console exclusives like Uncharted, The Last of US, All the Mario games, Kirby, Metroid, Zelda, God of War, Gran Turismo, Halo (after 1 & 2), Gears of War (after 1), Twisted Metal, Resistance, Killzone, Beyond Two Souls, Heavy Rain, Ratchet & Clank, Sly Cooper, motorstorm, Starhawk, Warhawk, Infamous, MLB the show, Little Big Planet, The Order

            I mean so much you miss out on. I missed what? Two games i don’t care about? I have my gaming PC and it doesn’t give me near as much. The only newer ones are Civ V & Sim City. I pick up Civ V all the time, Sim City not so much.

            Like I said I do miss the PC glory days like Counter Strike, Soldier of Fortune, Half Life and amazing simulators like Tie Fighter & Klingon Academy. PC just doesn’t have a hold on the FPS genre anymore, a comparable experience is also on console. Back in PS2 day that wasn’t the case.

            Plenty of examples I have personally debunked because it doesn’t include tons of things like OS, Media, HDD, Graphics Card, Sound Card never the less keyboard/mouse/monitor. I challenge you to list me your build. I JUST GOT DONE BUILDING ONE LAST YEAR AND IT COST ME $1000+ AND I HAD TO REPLACE POWER SUPPLY ALREADY. Cost way more and maintenance.

            FREE EXCLUSIVE CONTENT IS FREE AND NOT TIED TO PS+

            At the end of the day you are just another sad master race low life douche that has to try and justify your exorbitant purchase by bashing those that prefer console. What’s funny is I am a fking PC gamer. I am what you are trying to talk me into being and I prefer my consoles. I absolutely love this fact, you just can’t get over it.

          • cob

            Counter-Strike IS on console, but nobody plays it because it doesn’t get updated as updating console games is a hassle for developers compared to PC. And also because controllers suck for skill orientated fps games.

            I’ve missed out on a 6 hour single player experiences for $70 a pop? Oh noes! I’ve completed most of those at a friends house, as console games have no longevity anyway.

            “PC just doesn’t have a hold on the FPS genre any more, a comparable experience is also on console.”

            Are you mad? Nothing compares to CS, QL, Arma, TF2, GMod, Insurgency. Yeah some are on console but they are nowhere near the same experience. All consoles have is generic arcade regenerating health no recoil on rails shooters.

            No. The builds are out there, the benchmarks are out there. Find them yourself. You aren’t worth that much effort to prove wrong. It’s obvious that you don’t know what you are talking about. By ‘media’ I assume you mean a disk drive? Disks are an outdated technology and drives are cheap as shit anyway. Every motherboard comes an onboard soundcard, someone with a clue would know that. Consoles don’t come with a TV, so it’s unfair to include a monitor into the cost.
            So you suck at building a PCs? Boohoo. Next time don’t cheap out on a PSU. I’ve had 1 hardware failure in 12 years. You’re acting like consoles are immune to failing. Those 1st gen 360s sure had a low failure rate that’s for sure… At least Xbox Live and PSN is really reliable though right?

            Great counter point bro. My PC saved me money with cheaper games and no online fees working on the premise that I buy 1 newly released game every 2 months, and that’s including upgrades every 2/3 years. That’s without even mentioning the need to buy less games on PC due to them being better and lasting longer. You aren’t a PC gamer if you prefer consoles, you’re just a deluded idiot.

          • Allen

            Console controller use to suck for FPS. Now they just aren’t as good as keyboard/mouse but are good enough. I still call K/B headshot heaven, although you unappreciative bastards don’t care that I’m giving you props.

            $70/pop? Ah I see, just like xbots you are resorting to lies and disinformation. Brand new release games are $60, I usually wait for prices to drop unless I really want them like GTA V, Destiny, Battlefield 4 ect. I’ll plop down because those are my go to games. Typically I pay about $20-$30 for games or just live off the free ones (got 6 more this month alone).

            Console gets tons of support, I would say they get far more AAA support than PC anymore. PC use to get all the best from Lucas Arts, Activision and such. Anymore all the big titles are on both and PC idiots like you can only boast about some more frames per second and resolution and that’s only if you really plopped down for a PC, not just any PC.

            LOL does your head hurt? I’m from old school PC gaming fool. I was there for Unreal, beginnings of Counter Strike, that is some mad awesome stuff there. But as soon as PS3 was here the huge difference PC had was gone. it’s only a minor difference now. You are a fool if you think otherwise (keep in mind I am giving props for keyboard/mouse input – that is the only real advantage you have).

            I have debunked all the builds! Like I freaking said like a freaking broken record – all the cheap builds are missing huge components like graphics card, sound card, OS, media drive. Some of them are missing fans, power supply or even a HDD! And NONE ever dare say anything about a monitor (apparently a monitor that is minimum 1440p according to you PC master race douche bags you all have them). You being too afraid to list me one of your builds prove me right. Then the builds that truly are in the price range you are talking couldn’t run any of the new release games on high settings.

            “disks are outdated technology” no they are not. I need a disk drive. Hell I still burn DVD like a mad pirate, I love how you PC fools always disregard huge features/components like they are simply unnecessary. I mean you are building a beast PC and yet your are going to poor man it and have no disk drive? So you have none of the old software advantage? That’s a huge part of my every day PC experience. I love all the old games and that back catalog is a big +. Hell just like Star Wars Battlefront 2, man I been dying for 3 to come but I was looking at videos and saw 2 with upgraded graphics and was like WTF! Then I realized this was PC (mind u the release for that game was xbox, PS2 and PC). So I got it there and am very happy. Without a disk drive u wouldn’t be able to do that or play burned copies of games or other older titles like the many I have.

            I am not an xbox gamer and yes failure rates were 33-55% for 5+ years. Laughable and the worst I’ve ever seen an electronics device have. PS3 and PS4 have always been within industry standard (as xbox 360 “S” and xbone).

            “Great counter point bro. My PC saved me money with cheaper games and no online fees working on the premise that I buy 1 newly released game every 2 months” OMG! ROFLMFAO @ your pathetic ass!

            If you want to talk about PS+ I have literally 350 titles or so available to me for the $200 I have spent. I pay like 50¢ a game if you call that paying for them. I also get discounts, exclusive demos/betas, free premium themes and avatars ect.

            All this because you can’t accept that I enjoy my consoles more than my PC. Well I’ll tell ya that part of it is that I prefer the comfort of my living room and my big screen TV and real surround sound. I could put my PC in the living room but I hate the clunky UI and controls and then I would have no where to game when living room is taken up by family or visitors or such.

          • cob

            Good enough for games that require little to no skill, yeah. That’s the epitome of consoles right there, not good, just “good enough”.

            I don’t recall saying American dollars, not surprising that you’re just a typical ignorant yank, though. My point still stands either way.

            “Missing Fans” Haha. So clueless. You haven’t debunked anything. Check the /r/pcmasterrace builds, I’m aware some might be missing an OS, but let’s be honest few people actually pay for Windows.

            Hilarious. Console games get fuckall support compared to PC games. Most console games stop getting updated after a year, after the next rehashed sequel comes out for you idiots. Graphics are secondary to me. I bought a PC for the superior games, and gameplay. That and the fact consoles are targeted towards the lowest common denominator.

            Another great counter point. CS, QL, Arma, TF2, GMod and Insurgency are still drastically different from anything you can get on console. KB/M the only advantage? Yeah sure, aside from higher resolutions, higher framerates, higher player counts in some games, better competitive support/scene, mods and private dedicated servers.

            I haven’t used a disk in years, my past 2 builds didn’t even have a disk drive. It’s not my fault new technology confuses you. I can’t think of a single old game that I have that I can’t download from somewhere. I torrented WarCraft 3 and used my CD key from my WC3 box. Simple. I can share games with my friends easily, I have this magic box called an external hard drive.

            The free games that require a subscription? There are plenty of free or extremely cheap games given out on Steam/Origin/HumbleBundle. I’d say they are pretty equal in that regard. But FREE themes and avatars???? HOLY SHIT I’M BUYING A PS4!!!!

            I can accept you prefer consoles, that’s fine. You’re a poor kid living at mommy’s house, cool. All I’m asking is you admit PC is clearly superior, regardless of your preference.

          • Allen

            I prefer my consoles OVER MY PC you dumb ass douche bag. My god get it through your fking head.

            I love how you are trying to write off console exclusives like they take no skill. Console is very competitive and higher player count was a thing of last gen.

            I also love how you defend not having an optical drive. Then you won’t even post me your build and make fun that I mentioned fans. I know that some come with the case but that was just one little example and you didn’t mention any of the other components.

            Missing an optical drive means it doesn’t have the entertainment value a console does. Everyone I know watches movies, sure you can download them but that tends to be more expensive than renting from Redbox.

            You don’t care about movies, you don’t care about burning DVD’s, you don’t care about playing old software on PC (weird you call yourself a gamer), you don’t care about owning a physical disk and bringing it anywhere that doesn’t have a connection to get your game on. THATS YOU. Not me.

            I prefer my PS4 because:

            (1) As powerful as a mid/high range PC.
            (2) Zero upgrades ever needed.
            (3) I make the developers optimize to my hardware, not the other way around. No playing with settings, no unexpected freezes, bugs, crashes.
            (4) I enjoy PlayStation exclusives.
            (5) I enjoy PlayStation free exclusive content in AAA multi plats.
            (6) PS+ introduces me to games I never would have bothered with, even if they were cheap on steam. Games from all genre and I have over 300 digital alone to choose from and my library keeps growing. PS+ is a little over $4/month. You can’t afford that? You poor bastard. Dirty PC race can’t afford $4 a month.
            (7) Perfect controls and UI for the living room on my big screen TV.
            (8) BluRay/Browser/Streaming/Apps/DVD/CD & uses PC as home media server.
            (9) I love the extra features in the PS4 controller which immerses me more into the game.

            I do love my gaming PC. But I get far more out of my PlayStation. You are the one denying yourself and you are the acting like I live at home and am poor? Uh idiot I’m the one with a PS4/WiiU/PS3/GAMING PC and a sub to PS+. I have a huge gaming budget and wasting my time and money on top of the line PC with its’ limited games isn’t a priority.

          • cob

            Do you read my posts? Or just decide to dribble everywhere? Pretty sure I said “I can accept you prefer consoles, that’s fine.”

            Competitive console gaming. Just lol. The only worthwhile competitive games on console are fighting games, everything else is pathetic.

            I mentioned how crying about a lack of soundcard shows how clueless you are, I also mentioned the OS. I also said go check out /r/pcmasterrace builds.

            Optical drives are cheap as dirt, if you want one buy one. I’m simply saying if you have decent internet there is really no need for one.

            I stream all my movies on Netflix or alternatives (I never even said I don’t care about movies…), I put movies on a pendrive or external harddrive, I never said I don’t care about playing old games, so apparently you don’t read, you just dribble everywhere and fail to make a coherent point.

            (1) Low/Mid*

            (2) Yeah, and towards the end of the generation you end up with game chugging along at 20 fps at 720p. I don’t understand

            (3) No customizability is only a benefit to a retard. No crashes on a console? Are you deluded? Games crash plenty on console. Did you miss the complete shitstorm that was the Master Chief Collection? I heard AC:Unity ran extremely well and had no bugs whatsoever as well.

            (6) Steam alone has 4000 games, what’s your point? I can afford it, some people just prefer not to waste money on shit.

            (7) Yeah, perfectly designed for inefficient input devices. Anything you can do on console can be done 5x as quickly on PC.

            (8) And? You can do all of that and more on a PC…

            (9) HAHAHAH WAT. dat 900p 30fps immersion tho. Try an Oculus Rift and you’ll know what immersion is.

            I’ve already said, if you could actually read, that you can prefer console, as long as you admit that PC is superior from an objective standpoint. Stop trying to justify your exorbitant purchases pls. “Limited Games” Rofl. PC has a fuckton more games than console, and I can play practically any PC game ever released. Where are them MOBA/RTS/MMOs on consoles? Oh, they barely exist because they can’t be played with poor little wigglesticks and recquire too many buttons for peasant minds. You can stop pretending to be a PC gamer as well, because your cluelessness proves it’s just a cheap façade to try and bolster your already shitty argument. Console gaming holds gaming and technology back, you’re a fool if you think otherwise.

          • Allen

            Yeah you said: “I can accept you prefer consoles, that’s fine. You’re a poor kid living at mommy’s house, cool. All I’m asking is you admit PC is clearly superior, regardless of your preference.” Which is funny because I was the one pointing out that I apparently have a much bigger gaming budget than you.

            What kind of response do you think you are going to get with that? You are the pathetic ass hat that can’t get over I get far more from my PS3/PS4 than I do my PC.

            PC is the superior platform. Of course it is or at least it can be…if you put the time and money into it.

            But

            *Not very many high quality exclusives. Almost all of the highest rated PC games are also on console (in fact many of PC’s highest rated was also given away for free on PS+. Back in the day it was different. Back in the day it was the only place to play a decent FPS and had amazing simulators high budget big name that is. Now we got some kick starter and it’s not in the big franchise universe’s. Star Trek and Star Wars were so huge, I can’t tell you how many amazing games from those two I played. And like when Doom 95 came and unreal and half life and counter strike. Man those were the days. Those “WERE” the days. The glory days that are lost. Now Console offers a great “OPTION” for FPS and unfortunately it’s just been forever since we had a good Star Trek or Star Wars game. Hopefully that changes at least for SW and EA.

            *It is more expensive and don’t try to act like it’s not. I love building PC’s and built one last year. I use PC part picker and a local PC shop. Still cost me $1000 and that was just to give it what I consider a couple years of future proofing. (this did include a monitor but I needed one so there’s the disclaimer).

            *PC requires maintenance. I already had to replace my power supply and am looking at upgrading my card within the next year, possibly even ram.

            **another point about console is that since it’s very specific hardware for all developers can optimize far better. Just look at the last of us 500mb of ram lol 500mb! that was like early 2K’s since I had that little.

            *No matter what you say it doesn’t fit in the living room like a console. Not even half as good IMHO. Sure we got big screen mode but getting there and doing other things is just tedious. Then keyboard/mouse will be necessary somewhere in the living room and I’ve never had a good set up for that.

            *PC does require for you to play with the settings. Without the proper configuration you get crashes and freeze. So much more care free with a plug and play console.

            I prefer my PS4 over my gaming PC

          • Allen

            Yeah you said: “I can accept you prefer consoles, that’s fine. You’re a poor kid living at mommy’s house, cool. All I’m asking is you admit PC is clearly superior, regardless of your preference.” Which is funny because I was the one pointing out that I apparently have a much bigger gaming budget than you.

            What kind of response do you think you are going to get with that? You are the pathetic ass hat that can’t get over I get far more from my PS3/PS4 than I do my PC.

            PC is the superior platform. Of course it is or at least it can be…if you put the time and money into it.

            But

            *Not very many high quality exclusives. Almost all of the highest rated PC games are also on console (in fact many of PC’s highest rated was also given away for free on PS+. Back in the day it was different. Back in the day it was the only place to play a decent FPS and had amazing simulators high budget big name that is. Now we got some kick starter and it’s not in the big franchise universe’s. Star Trek and Star Wars were so huge, I can’t tell you how many amazing games from those two I played. And like when Doom 95 came and unreal and half life and counter strike. Man those were the days. Those “WERE” the days. The glory days that are lost. Now Console offers a great “OPTION” for FPS and unfortunately it’s just been forever since we had a good Star Trek or Star Wars game. Hopefully that changes at least for SW and EA.

            *It is more expensive and don’t try to act like it’s not. I love building PC’s and built one last year. I use PC part picker and a local PC shop. Still cost me $1000 and that was just to give it what I consider a couple years of future proofing. (this did include a monitor but I needed one so there’s the disclaimer).

            *PC requires maintenance. I already had to replace my power supply and am looking at upgrading my card within the next year, possibly even ram.

            **another point about console is that since it’s very specific hardware for all developers can optimize far better. Just look at the last of us 500mb of ram lol 500mb! that was like early 2K’s since I had that little.

            *No matter what you say it doesn’t fit in the living room like a console. Not even half as good IMHO. Sure we got big screen mode but getting there and doing other things is just tedious. Then keyboard/mouse will be necessary somewhere in the living room and I’ve never had a good set up for that.

            *PC does require for you to play with the settings. Without the proper configuration you get crashes and freeze. So much more care free with a plug and play console.

            I prefer my PS4 over my gaming PC

        • DCtheEE

          >”PC is great but it doesn’t have the amazing exclusives it use to have.”

          What are you talking about? There’s been a huge renaissance in PC gaming in multiple genres including an increased amount of local co-op games (you mentioned couch gaming), CRPGs, MOBAs, MMOs, old-school FPS games, etc. I mean, take your pick man. You can’t tell me that the exclusives on PS4 somehow outweigh the immense amount of options on PC. What time-range are you thinking was BETTER than now? The mid-90’s? That’s highly debateable.

          >”I don’t like PC for the living room either. UI is bad as is controls outside of big picture mode or navigating. Big Picture helps a ton yes but console is still better for the living room because of ease.”

          You have a point there in that it’s typically quite difficult for me to navigate Windows from 15 feet away from a 60″ TV. However, since I’m only using Big Picture to launch games, that isn’t an unmanageable problem.

          >”All the games I care about it are on it, I get the free exclusive content in AAA multi plats, I get the huge free games with PS+, comfort and ease of use for the living room.”

          I’m not even going to go into how you’re paying for multiplayer or paying for those “free” games. Argument could be made that the value you get for outweighs the price, but they are not “free” no more than the movies I watch on Netflix are “free”.

          >”Great features like virtual couch and friend spectate/take over mode and video capture without use of a card”

          Seriously, how often are you using that “Spectate” mode? You can do that in Steam now, or you can stream to Twitch. You don’t need a “capture card” to do it either. You either use Shadowplay (if Nvidia), Xsplit, or OBS and send to Twitch, Hitbox, whatever.

          >”great features in controller that emmerse me into the game (touch pad, light bar, speaker, gyros) as example GTA V, when police are after you the light bar flashes red and blue. light bar/ Gyro and speaker in infamous, speaker in Shadow of Mordor, touch pad is actually been great both as two buttons and the touch pad function.”

          This is kinda cool, and you have me here. The DS4 can be used on PC, but certainly can’t mimic that.

          I get that a high-end PC might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but your points are rather dubious.

          • Allen

            (1) List some of the amazing exclusives then because most games are also on console. If you look up highest ranked PC games you will see many were even given away for free on PS+ (yes the highest ranked PC games)

            Then you can tell me what PC games actually showcase the PC power because there really aren’t any right now. Crysis did a good job back in the day but not much I can think of right now.

            I miss the type of games PC use to have like Star Wars Tie Fighter, Star Trek Klingon Academy and others are no longer releasing on PC like they use to in the glory days.

            Then I’d like to see you explain the quality FPS experience console has had since launch of the PS3. Sure not the headshot heaven keyboard/mouse is but you don’t have to be a PC douche bag just because you prefer PC, have the money to build a high end PC and the monitor to take it. I PC and console game so I can play pretty much every game ever made. PS4 1080p native and 30fps is fine for me. I spent $400 and this is true HD on my HD tv and solid 30fps so I’m happy.

            (2) That is you. Getting to the launching of the game is frustrating. I like my PC but it belongs in my office which also gives me a secondary place to play if living room taken. Also keyboard/mouse is needed until you get to the game.

            (3) I understand. I fought so hard against Xbox live because it was a worthless subscription service that gave nothing. In fact it paywalled basic features like browser and streaming services. PS+ came and I was skeptical. I waited a year and was impressed so tried it out. It got even better. I get literally thousands of dollars of games a year for my subscription + discounts + extras like exclusive demos/beta’s, themes, avatars ect.

            Since June of 2010 PS+ has had:

            167 PS3 titles
            30 PS4 titles
            67 PS Vita titles
            87 “other” titles (mini’s, PSP, PS1 classics ect)

            So that’s 351 game titles so far for $200 coming to $0.57 each (and that’s if you don’t count the discounts, exclusives & extras).

            Also the free exclusive content is big for me. So many huge titles for PS3 like Red Dead Redemption, LA Noire, Batman AA & AC, Assassins Creed, Battlefield, Far Cry 3 I can go on and PS4 already has like 5 in it’s first year.

            **I will say that if PS+ doesn’t remain highly valuable I will cancel and sell my PS4. But after the years I’ve had with PS+ it’s only gotten better and better.

            (4) Just listing some of the great features. I’ve been playing PC less and less and didn’t know steam could do video capture. For PS3 I would have had to pay $100-$120 for a capture card. Friend Spectate could be fun for like when you have to jump off but want to jump back on soon (like gotta eat real quick) and for anytime a friend would be in need or just watching. Virtual couch is amazing though, invite a friend to play with you even if they don’t have the game.

            (5) Thanks, I’ve enjoyed the light bar/speaker/gyro/touch pad a lot more than I thought. Also a quick mod that’s kind of fun is to put a removable sticker on the light like batman logo.

            I’m not trying to say anything other than PC master race don’t have to be a bunch of douches. I love my PS4 and it performs very well and I personally get more out of my PS4 than my PC. I still love my PC and play it but given the choice I usually go console.

        • Fred hgggg

          ” but it doesn’t have the amazing exclusives it use to have.”

          PCs have more exclusives that go on sale in a year than, than consoles get in their lifetime. hell, PCs have the entire MMO genre under their belt.

          “It’s just not worth spending 3 times as much on a PC like you did.”
          if you spend 1500 on a PC youre an enthusiast whos buying extra bells and whistles. you only need 500 bucks to made a mid ranged gaming PC.

          “PC just doesn’t “squash” consoles. It’s a good option for sure though.”

          yes they do. The hardware for a 500 dollar gaming PC shreds a consoles. and everyday the gap in price:performance grows with consoles making less and less economical sense

          “I don’t like PC for the living room either.”

          personal preference.

          “to each his own but I prefer PS4 for most my gaming. All the games I
          care about it are on it, I get the free exclusive content in AAA multi
          plats, I get the huge free games with PS+”

          No you dont. You pay for PS+, nothing you get from it is “free”.

          “Great features like virtual couch and friend spectate/take over mode and video capture without use of a card”

          A feature PCs have been doing for years. ‘without a card’ aswell.

          “Great features like virtual couch and friend spectate/take over mode and video capture without use of a card”

          What happened to just keeping it simple and enjoying the games? you said youre not into great visuals but then point to an odd shaped piece of plastic you calla controller and say it emerses you into the game? that just doesnt make sense. A touchpad is no different than a track pad, which is justa simplified version of a mouse. the same thing you just said is not comfortable and easy to use.

          You have a PC im sure, no doubt you bought a prebuilt and was upcharged an insane amount for mediocre performance. Recognize PC is the superior platform and that your console is limiting. You can still enjoy your console but this talk about how the console provides a better experience when it fails in every category is simply wrong.

          • DrumStickNinja

            Wow you have no idea what you are talking about.

            There are tons of multi platform titles and exclusives that never come to PC. Also we’ve gone over this time and time again with another PC master race moron, show me your build and then performance because I call BS.

            Why are all you idiots all obsessed with touting your expensive PC’s to console gamers? Everyone I know on PS4 also has a PC but guess what? We are always playing on our PS4. It’s our preference so what exactly is your deal? You spent too much and have to justify it to yourself?

          • Fred hgggg

            Wait, so your complaint is that PCs dont have exclusives? or the cost i paid for my rig? or is it about personal preference. Who knows you peasants can never keep your mind focused. and at 30fps, my mind would start to wander too.

            *sigh* sit down and stretch your butthole.

            >There are tons of multi platform titles and exclusives that never come to PC

            yes. very good. a whopping 25 Ps4 exclusives, and a bit more than 100 for all “next gen consoles”.

            Do you want to count all the games from last generation(s) too or doe they not count as exclusives? sure, we got emulators for those. And infact, the game runs smoother and on a much higher resolution on our emulators. You can brag about the lack of Ps3 and 360 emulators (got to find whatever victory you can!) but will close your ears when i tell you all emulators start to surface a few years after the previous generation of consoles are killed off.

            so your “tons” of “exclusives” are BARELY triple digits, and thats with the One, Ps4 and Wii combined. meanwhile, the PC has THOUSANDS of exclusives. Exclusives released everyday Infact, we have more exclusive games released in a year than a console has games released. Hell, we have more games put on sale in 2 years than games ever come to consoles.

            Secondly you say “exclusives” like that means something. It doesnt. Suggesting your console has an exclusive is a short way of saying “im a sucker and will spend hundreds of dollars to play a game that everyone will forget about in 3 months”

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            and what part do i not know what im talking about? how you pay 60 bucks a month for using the internet? Go on. tell me you dont pay 60 bucks for a service that gives you stuff from time to time and label it as “free”

            You ask for my specs like it means something. Why dont YOU tell me your playstations specs? Whats your GPU? Dont worry ill wait……

            Oh sorry, i forgot, if console peasants knew shit about shit theyd take one look at the specs and run for the hills. The PS4 has an AMD’s 7870. Go on and pop open google and look up the 7800 series release date. Its 5 years old and last generation. AMD doesnt even use that numbering scheme anymore. On top of that, its not even a 7870 used to its fullest, its power is cut in half since 2 of their cores are disabled until sony gives the greenlight to enable them again in 5 years time when the hardware is so old its obsolete. a low end GTX 760 blows the 7800 series out of the water, any day. FACT. and benchmark software and website will agree.

            Next on the list is pitiful CPU, your “powerful” ps4 can only spit out 1.6 Ghz per core at any moment in time, this is all ignoring the abysmall thread count it has. All the while a off-the-shelf quadcore i5 will sail you to the moon and back while the Ps4s is still struggling to boot.
            ———

            Lastly, yes! youre right! i did spend more on my $550 PC than you would have if you bought a console. but thats as far as the spending goes. At the end of the day im NOT buying games at 60 bucks a pop. At the end of the day im NOT paying 60 bucks a year to use the internet.

            Console you need:

            Console: 400
            4 games: 240
            Multiplayer: 60
            controller: 50 (+ 20 for rechargeable stand)

            so far were already up 700 bucks and my PC is already starting look like a better option. No? alright then lets break it down too.

            Pc: 550-600 dollars
            M/K (even though everyone has one): 20
            4 games: 30 dollars
            aaaaand thats it.

            In 6 years, ive purcahsed 66 games, valued at approx 800 bucks total. How much i actually payed for said games reached a little over 250. What about all your old games? ooohhh, right i forgot. You can play them. Infact you have to buy the games you bought on your old consoles AGAIN. So in reality you lost hundrds of dollars in addition to the console youd buy.

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            So where does this leave us? better hardware? PC. More games? PC. Cheaper games? PC.
            infact, how is a console any different than a PC other than having locked down hardware and OS? it isnt. Suggesting buying the more locked down and limited version of a product is OBSURED.

            Suggesting a gaming rig costs so much that it breaks the bank is OBSURED and baseless and is a beliefe carried over from 2001, when PCs were infact expensive. But just like a console pleb, youre living in the past.

            play your playstation or xbox. make love to it. whatever. you can do that. but the moment you start suggesting that a PC is “expensive”, or that the console is more “powerful” you start to drown in your own stupidity.

          • Allen

            You are an idiot.

            (1) PC doesn’t have a ton of AAA exclusives. Yes there are so many exclusives out there for PC but none that are amazing. The good ones come to console too. Just look at the best of PC metacritic. Most of the games are also on console and many were given away for free on PS+ (fine if you want to bring up that PS+ is a sub. The sub is very valuable giving thousands of dollars worth of games away a year and introduces me to games I would never have tried. I find it very valuable. You may not but it’s my decision and I feel I get far more from my PS3 and PS4 than I do my PC).

            So PC has meh exclusives and tons and tons of them and Nintendo/PlayStation have AAA high budget exclusives that will never come to PC. So who is denying themselves? Besides I have a gaming PC for the reason that if one ever does show up that is worth a damn then I’d get it. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN VERY FEW SINCE I GOT MY PS3 BACK IN 2008. All I can think of that is even close to being new that I play on my PC is Civ V and Sim City.

            (2) Yeah console is different than a PC. Consoles have very specific hardware that developers can optimize to and I mean truly optimize. Get 2007 hardware with 500mb of ram to push games like The Last of Us and Battlefield.

            You know how else my console is different? It fits 100 times better in the living room. UI, controls, entertainment, apps. Designed as a gaming and entertainment powerhouse. Keep the PC out in the office and use it as my home media server for my PS3.

            Your dollar figures are flawed.

            Console: 400
            Multiplayer: 60 (a year OPTIONAL and gives THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF FREE GAMES AWAY A YEAR). No online gaming if no PS+ but no paywalls so apps, entertainment, online movie rental, console features, browsing ect. not affected.

            4 games: 240 (why do I need 4 games and why would every one of them be brand new releases at $60 each? – your assumption is flawed).

            controller: 50 (+ 20 for rechargeable stand) LOL WHAT!? (A) 1 controller comes with the consoles (B) As a PC gamer you would have to buy a second controller for local multi player too. (C) I don’t need a power stand, I have a cable that came with the console to charge. (D) I did buy a second controller on black Friday for $40 and is more than enough worth it.

            (3) To build a PC that would “blow away” PS4 you do have to spend some good money. My PC I built last year cost me $1000+ (which did include monitor). I already had to replace the power supply and am already thinking about upgrading ram and graphics card.

            PC is pretty expensive for the return value. (A) doesn’t have the amazing exclusives it use to in the 90’s and early 2k’s. (B) More expensive initial cost (C) More money put into upgrades (D) Take time to do the upgrades and possibly have compatibility issues (which happens less now that I know more about what I’m doing but yeah headache) (E) Doesn’t suit my living room and entertainment needs. Most builds don’t even include entertainment media drive.

            So for me I prefer my PS3/PS4/WiiU over my PC. I’m not saying I want to sell my PC. I need it. It does have games I love to play – mostly old ones from the glory days of PC gaming. But some new and the xbox exclusives that come to PC. It’s also my DVD burner, home media server and picture/movie center for the family.

            But it doesn’t give me what my consoles do and all I see are a bunch of PC master race douches all here ragging on my consoles just because they aren’t as powerful as an ultra PC. so what!? How does my solid 30fps on my consoles (and there are plenty of 60fps games BTW) affect you? How does me paying for a highly valuable subscription affect you? It’s not like this is xbox live offering nothing and paywalling everything other than DVD playback. Hell Sony even forced microsoft to drop the paywalls and actually try to make XBL valuable.

            The answer is you are just being a dumb PC troll and need to get over the fact that PC only gaming isn’t for everyone (I would say isn’t for most – I am after all a PC and console gamer and most people I game with are the same).

          • Fred hgggg

            1. Tons of exclusives. yes there are. do a google search. open steam and look at the thousands of games you will never see.

            Secondly, you again say “AAA” like that it means something. Clealry you dont know what it means. AAA just means a studio poured money into it. it DOESNT mean the game is any good. Look at Aliens, very much a AAA title and sucked. But lets look at PS4s.

            Uncharted 4 was a failure
            Street Fighter V? oh wait. PC aswell
            Planetside? PC had it for years, for free.

            The rest are all trailers that will let you down like Uncharted 4 and Unity. And all of them will fizzle out

            Your PS+ does NOT give away games for free, you keep saying that dispite the fact you and everyone else is paying them. youre in denial and its evident. Mean while, Steam alone (not counting GoG, origin greenmangaming, kinguin, the list goes on) has 5-8 free games released every few days. the games you paid for and are told are free dont touch double digits.

            2. Youre again saying words you dont understand. Developers dont optimize the hardware. they dont get touch touch it. they optimize the software so that it may run on the hardware. But that doesnt mean its magic. if b4 is running on 500mb its reduced. you cant create processing power with a line of code. but hey, you saw it on a forum somewhere and now you parrot it.

            gaming and entertainment powerhouse (even though we established it does NOT have the hardware)? everything you consider a new “feature” on any console, PCs have been doing it for years. there is NOTHING a console can do that a PC cant.

            A PC is a box too and it has the amazing ability to be moved! crazy right? and also has the ability o buy a controller if you so choose.

            no my numbers are solid. The 60 is optional but mandatory to play online, more than 50% of the consoles use is now locked behind a 60 dollar door.

            and you do NOT any games for free, let alone “thousands of dolalrs” (again, your parroting somthing you heard elsewhere). You just said that you PAY for the service. if you PAY for a service, anything they give you is NOT free because you PAID. do you understand? have your parents read it slowly for you. Are you from the past?

            A. No one has only 1 controller. remember the whole “game with friends on the couch” thing youre touting?
            B. uuh, no? the wonderful thing about a keyboard is, we dont have 8 buttons. we have more like 100+
            C. a power stand? you mean a power cable? the one that comes with your computer? the universal pwoer cable you can find anywhere? the one thats been the same for over 10+ years? but great, let me know when your proprietary power adapter breaks and ou fork over 40 bucks for a new one.
            D. So you DID buy another controller, negating your point “A”.

            3. youre either lieing or a moron. just becace you spend 1000 dollars doesnt mean youre getting a 1000 dollar machine. And if you spent 1000 on a gaming PC you dont use…? well ill let that speak for itsself. when did you get it 2001?

            A. again, PCs have exclusives released everyday, theres some new ones on steam right now. For someone who payed 1000 for a gaming PC youre pretty dull on the issue.
            B. And thats about it
            C. You dont need to upgrade everything and everything. 8 gigs of ram was good 5 years ago, itll be good today and itll still be good in another 5 years. you CAN upgrade, you dont have to. thats a plus more than anything.
            D. there are 6 main parts in a computer, which are all color coded, clearly labeled and fit only into 1 slot. the time required is none existant and only occurs once.
            E. This is how i know you bought a prebuilt machine, probably fro alienware or ibuypower and were overcharged for little to power. lots of desktops still come with Cd drives, and you can buy an external or internal one for 20 bucks or less if your computer doesnt have one.

            Theyre both boxes, suggesting it doesnt fit in the living room is a lie you keep telling yourself.

            4. We rag on your consoles because you constantly defend them and claim their disadvantages are actually advantages. a console is nothing more than a locked down PC with proprietary hardware and software. fact. you cant dispute that.

            First off, there are NO games that play at a constant 60 fps. CoDAW got close but constantly dips down to 30 or below. Combine that with the fact the FoV is abysmall, and the render distance sucks and youre getting only 780p. the rest of your games are promised to be at 60 fps, but will no doubt be limited.

            Secondly, why does it affect me? because your constant praising of consoles and “AAA” titles is hurting the game industry. it is gamers like you who pour thousands of dollars on limited, dumbed down products that are falsely advertised to you months before to get you committed to buy. Consoles USED to be the better choice than PCs, over 10 years ago. 60fps 4k should have already been the standard on all video game, consoles and otherwise. however due to the constant limiting of hardware and pushing out shitty games console gaming has held back the devlopment of this. It ruins MY experience because when i decide i want to play, say Unity, and i realize its a broken pile of turd because they know console plebs will buy it for the holidays even if it is broken. And they can bet theyd buy the sequal too.

            How does paying 60 bucks to Play games online affect me? well it doesnt. however its fucking stupid, especially coming from someone touting about how cheap his console is. Infact, you dont just realize that youre paying a middleman to use the internet you already paid for, youre defending it! its daylight robbery and youre saying its a good idea! and you justify it by using the fake word “free”. XBL is in the same pile of shit and is no better. Youre still paying to use the internet which is ridicules.

            PC gaming is for everyone. A console is a PC with proprietary-locked-down hardware and proprietary-locked-down software. there is no difference. you can plug a PC into a tv. you can use Steams Big picture mode or other similar software, you can plug ANY controller and it will work. All the while your games run better, look better, and have an entire community of players toc reate mods that increase replay factor by 1000x if ntoe more. Morrowind was released over a decade ago and people are STILL modding and playing it.

            I said it before and ill say it again, you are allowed to like your console but for the love of god dont spew falsehoods about it being more expensive longterm, or that it doesnt fit in the living room, like its a redheaded stepchild.

          • Allen

            TONS OF AAA!!!!!!?????? LOL i think you missed the AAA part of that.

            (1) review all games released on Steam and console every week. Of course I know there are a ton more games on PC. That doesn’t mean they are great games. The great games on PC are mostly multi platform titles with just some more frames per second and resolution IF YOUR SYSTEM CAN HANDLE IT. It’s a big if. Most recommended settings are for PC to run at mid to high range. To get better than 1080p like most PS4 games means you are paying for a high end/ultra rig which is spendy.

            Show me some AAA because all I see is stuff to come. The newest PC exclusives that were great are few and far between. Gone are the days PC had great Star Wars and Star Trek exclusives. Gone are the days that FPS was way better on PC and or only available on PC.

            (2) Let’s look at the BS you are saying about games.

            Uncharted 4 was a failure – You dissing a game that isn’t even out yet that is in the line of some of the highest rated games in the world?

            Street Fighter V? oh wait. PC as well. I believe cross platform play with PC. PlayStation is elite like that. Gonna be a blast. So what that it’s on PC too? It’s a console exclusive and like I said cross platform play.

            Planetside? PC had it for years, for free. Yep from Sony Online Entertainment. Looking forward to playing it on PS4.

            MLB the show – Epic each and every year. So great that 2K or whoever stopped competing.

            LBP 3 – I love this build/share game. Looking forward to getting it on PS4 but have so much to play right now between what I’ve purchased and all the games I get with PS+. 3 more PS4 games this month alone like Transistor – a very high rated game that’s also on PC! Yay. Also received well on PC I see.

            Infamous Second Son – The best Infamous game yet. Very high detail and runs very smooth.

            Killzone – A graphics whore like Crisis use to be. Too bad PC doesn’t really have any games like that to show off anymore. Crisis was amazing back in the day for those that could run it. The PS3/360 version are laughable compared to PC but were okay to play.

            Driveclub – Despite it’s horrible launch the game is epic and very well done. Shows the power of the PS4 well and Project Cars PC close equiv. could only hope to have the level of weather detail.

            Grim Fandango – Now we are reliving the glory days of the PC!

            Bloodborne – Very excited. I don’t think it’s gonna be on PC from the looks of it.

            Deep Down – PS4 true exclusive. no PC release.

            Knack – Despite bad reviews is a great family game. I was hoping for more like crash bandicoot but was fun to rent.

            The Order 1886 – Looking amazing! Can’t wait to play it.

            Shadow of the Beast – Really looking forward to this title. Played the old one back in the day.

            The Last of Us – PS4 version was even better than I could have imagined.

            Then we got free exclusive content on AAA multi plats like Watchdogs, Assassins Creed, Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor & Destiny.

            If you want to say I pay for PS+ games then fine. I can handle that. Let me do the math for you.

            (A) I get heavy discounts on games.
            (B) I get exclusive access to Beta’s and such.
            (C) Free themes/Avatars
            (D) New games added each month to my library. Here’s a taste of what I have so far.

            For $200 investment paid in 4 increments of $50 annually I have:

            167 – PS3 games
            30 – PS4 games
            67 – PS Vita game
            87 – Other games (PS1/PS2 classics, Mini’s & PSP)

            So 351 games so far making each $0.56 and my list gets bigger each month. February is:

            PS4 – Transistor, Rogue Legacy & Apotheon
            PS3 – Theif & Yakuza 4
            PS Vita- Kick & Finnick

            You should look up “list of instant game collection” to see the full list of the games I mentioned above.

            to be continued

          • Allen

            (3) LOL!

            PS+ is $50/yr not $60.

            (A) The friend gaming on the couch was “Virtual couch” where one PS4 connects to another and your friend can play a co-op game with you even if they don’t own their own copy of the game.

            I don’t think PC has friend spectate/take over mode

            PS4 also has video capture tied in well with an editor. I believe Steam can do this too.

            (B) Keyboard/mouse is great but not for everything. Now days controller is great for everything all though k/m have advantage on FPS.

            (C) What is it you are trying to say about this? There is no adapter. You can plug into wall or ps3 or ps4 to charge and the cable is the same as many phones and kindle fire hd and such. Very cheap to replace (about 1/4 of the cost of the power supply I had to replace.

            (D) I did buy another controller. I have friends and family I like to play with. Got Injustice Gods Among us for free the other day and was perfect for Thanksgiving/Christmas get togethers. Nice to have such a great fighting game early in the console life for free.

            YOU TOTALLY AVOIDED OPTIMIZATION. Dude look at freaking TLOU on PS3. Yes BF was smaller on PS3 so what!? PS4 has just as large as PC, you are talking about getting these games to run on 2006 hardware with only 500mb of freaking ram. You need to look up a PC game with 500 freaking mb of recommended ram and compare graphics to PS3/360.

            (4) You rag on console because you are a know nothing PC douche bag that denies yourself some of the best gaming in the world. You do not need 60fps, 4k resolutions to be happy with a game.

            I know of ZERO games on PS4 with frame rate drops. Many games were limited to 30fps after frame rate spikes like infamous second son. Very solid, I’ve only seen like 2 dips in any game on any rate test on PS4. 30fps is very fast and you can barely even tell a difference to 60fps. There are TONS of 1080p 60FPS games on PS4 and WiiU you need to do some research before spewing BS, lies and disinformation.

            I can’t really read any more of your BS. You are obviously just a know nothing troll that has done no research and feels the need to defend your exorbitant purchase on a machine that is only barely better than a $400 PS4.

            PC just doesn’t have the games it use to. It doesn’t have the huge benefits over console like PS2 and before. It has a ton of people making games for it just like mobile but that doesn’t mean it’s better and the PC style certainly isn’t better for me and my playing style at the moment. That may change some day, I will never get rid of my PC. I still enjoy playing PC games from the 80’s when I can get them to run proper. I play all games and am a true gamer. I do not deny myself over some BS vendetta like you.

          • Fred hgggg

            3. shucks, you got me! you saved 10 bucks a year than MS fanboys.

            Youre still shelling out money to play a game you just bought on a console you own, on an internet connection you pay for. to make the butt raping more tolerable, they give you 6 or so “free” games a year

            The more you try to pretty it up, the realization will slap you back down.

            “don’t think PC has friend spectate/take over mode”

            PC had a spectator mode while you were still a twinkle in your daddys eye. any “feature” that comes to console has been on PC for years

            B) mouse and keyboard is superior in everyway. There is nothing a controller can do that a keyboard and mouse cant. that said a keyboard can do MORE than a controller, and therefore by every means of the word makes it better. You cant argue having games limited to only a maximum of 12 possible commands is somehow good.

            C) and before you plug it into the wall you need an adapter. because everything is proprietary.

            D) Great so you did have to buy 2 controllers, something you and every other console player has to do. when a keyboard can fit up to 4 players. And again, a game you got from a subscription service is not free. stop lieing to yourself.

            You dont seem to know hat optimization means but you throw the word around. yes, battlefield does run with less on the playstation. Less quality,
            less frames, less FOV, less draw distance. Youre getting a limited
            product. thats NOT good. this is like listening to a compressed
            audio file and claiming it superior because it takes up less disk space.
            BF4 isnt optimized, its compressed and condensed to work on OBSOLETE HARDWARE. thats the exact opposite

            4) and this is when the rage comes out. First off, 60fps is very much a necessity, because 30 frames is shit and looks like shit and games are held back because of consoles. That said, you console player rave about graphics and about which console is better but then spin on your heels when PC rolls in and points at their high frame rates and resolutions.

            you havnt seen any frame rate dips? then youre lieing. plain and simple. youtube is full of gameplay with framerate drops. And yes you CAN tell the difference between 60 and 30, thats why devlopers are trying to get to 60 fps on console games and are promising it with every release.

            no, high graphics and frames arnt “necessary” but they should have been the standard years ago. that sad, on PC you do have the to option to LOWER your settings if you so choose. Console shave no such option. because you dont need pretty graphics right?

            there arnt even “tons” of games out for the PS4 and Xbone. Maybe 30 or so. And no, none of them are native 1080p. they are upscaled 1080p. wii might have 1 gae in native 1080. That said, here you are defending the 1080p 60fps games on consoles when you just talked about how they arnt important. Your argue against yourself.
            What games do have 60fps, have scaled down FOV (which has been proven to cause migraines), and shorter draw distances. edges are jagged so motion blur is used to hide it. anything your character isnt looking at isnt rendered. Again you get a dumbed down product that can still BARELY run on the obsolete hardware

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            and theren lies your problem. you believe without console games, youre limited. because you truly believe a vast majority of games are on consoles, when it couldnt be further from the truth.

            The fact of the matter is simple.

            PCs, are cheaper long term. i spent 2k in over 6+ years of gaming. games and hardware combined.

            PCs have more customization and freedom to do what you want.

            PCs have more games

            PCs have more exclusive titles (again, exclusive =/=AAA =/= good)

            PCs are more backwards compatible than any console.

            Consoles run obsolete hardware

            So we got, content, games, and price all within the realm of PC. Your argument of PS+ or XBL for content is weak, as it does nothing a PC cant do; and you have to pay for it. THe listing of up and coming games who exist in nothing but promises doesnt negate the hundreds of thousands of games available for PC. You pointing to a handful of “free” games you get after you pay a company 50 bucks doesnt negate the price. Again, ive spent a little under 2k in over 6+ years of gaming, that includes over 100 games and 2 PCs and i can play all the games at the drop of a hat.

            You dont think anything of it, because youre the cancer in the industry. Gaming as a whole is limited because of you and your archaic ideas and misinformation. 60fps 1080p is nothing special and should have been standard last generation.

            Ill say again, maybe this time itll settle in your skull. You can enjoy your peasant box. but dont spew the lie that theyre better. because theyre not by any stretch of the word. but personal preference throws that out the window.

            PS. Your history is backwards. PCs were expensive pre-PS2, not post PS2. Check the PS2 release date and the intel chips released.

            PS.S enjoying your custom wallpaper? so intuitive!

            Dont get your information from console forums kiddo

          • DrumStickNinja

            You are a dumb ass. Obviously this is way over your head.

        • New meta

          Consoles are overpriced underpowered shit, at least “new gen” ones. And if you say every PC game ever made is not good, I will facepalm. Dota 2 (3200 hours gametime), LoL, CS GO(still best shooter), TF2, DayZ, etc. Don’t worry Sony(more so) and MS are desperately bribing for last. New gen sucks so hard more and more people will come to their right mind and go PC. Everyone needs PC anyway. And since you stay most of the time in home on your PC, having to share TV is unwanted. You can’t even masturbate in peace. 🙂

          • Allen

            I didn’t fking say that PC games suck you ignorant piece of pathetic junk. You freaking idiots just keep hearing what you want to hear. I am a freaking PC gamer, I am also a console gamer. I prefer my consoles these days as PC just doesn’t offer what it use to and just isn’t worth it to me. So what? I’m not saying PC sucks. I’m saying my PS3/PS4 is awesome and complements my PC. So what? I enjoy multi platform games and sony exclusives on my console in my living room on my big screen TV and 7.1 surround sound. I enjoy PC games on my PC exclusives and xbox games on PC outside in the office on my PC with 3.1 surround sound and a 27″ monitor. Sure I could bring the PC in the living room but (A) I lose my secondary gaming option and (B) I don’t like PC in the living room. I just doesn’t fit right and isn’t for me.

    • durka durka

      Even a 500$ pc beats consoles.

    • Bilal Prince- Ali

      OMMMGG THANK YOUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i have made that point soooooooo many timess! to the point i get bored of the retarded PC gamers reply of “Pauperstation ponies cant handle the power! underpowered console underdelivered games’ BS they spew out instead of ACTUALLY replying to the question or statement at hand lool! the truth is i just DON’T see the point of having such expensive hardware just to play the same games that look better, but sometimes aren’t even ported to PC properly lol, now watch the flaming ill get for this point! but thank you @disqus_nVYMv9O5uq:disqus

    • The Glorious PC Master Race

      There’s that $1500 lie again

      More like $500. $600 if you want to destroy a console.

      Cry those thirty tears per second

    • CorinthiansFootbalClub

      Same at 4k. thats a completely new game!

      If so, by ur logic u fine with PS3…go back so!

    • Alawami

      more like 600$ machine which i use for everything not just gaming
      enjoy your 30 fps sir

    • Fred hgggg

      No one.

      Who spends 400 dollars for limited and dated hardware, pays 60 bucks a month to use the internet they already own and 60 bucks per game for a gaming experience?

    • New meta

      It is 2015 and PC gaming is CHEAPER than console. As you can see lowest PC setting look better than PS4 since bad anti aliasing and huge drawing distance is better than shit aa blurry textures and short drawing distance. Buying 400$ “gaming PC(PS4)” that is made to make profit by itself is stupid. Its actual price is probably 200$. Sony was losing so “new gen” is not like last gen when they were selling them for sell money than the production cost.