Ex-Sony Employee Questions The Morality Of No Man’s Sky Refund Claimants

Shahid Kamal Ahmad has worked as a Strategist Content Director for Sony in the past, during which he worked on securing many indies as exclusives. Among them, No Man’s Sky turned out to be biggest surprise of them all.

Now that the game has launched, it turns out that the developer of No Man’s Sky used misleading marketing tactics to advertise features that were strangely absent from the final game. The major complaint among the majority of the users is that despite having a procedurally generated universe where every planet is generated using a random algorithm, there is no way to interact with another player.

No Man's Sky The Universe Awaits

This multiplayer feature was conveniently hinted by the developers throughout the marketing of the game but the final game is completely absent of any sort of multiplayer interaction between the player. The other disappointment relates to the randomness of the game, which was expected but still the marketing relied on pre-built assets to drum up an experience that appears to be largely missing in the final game.

This has resulted in players asking for refunds for the game. Strangely enough, both Sony and Valve are acknowledging the refund requests for the players, even for those who have played the game for 40-50 hours, which is an unprecedented move in the history of refunds on PSN and Steam.

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Shahid Kamal Ahmad, who helped in securing No Man’s Sky as a PS4 exclusive, left Sony a while back and now works as an indie developer in his own studio. Recently on Twitter, Shahid Ahmad seemed to express his opinions on the refund debacle for No Man’s Sky calling people who refund after playing the game for 40-50 hours a ‘thief’.

He agrees that the game should be refunded if it doesn’t work at boot, but argues that there is no merit in refunding a game that the player has already spent a considerable amount of time, even if he didn’t enjoy his time with the game.

No Man’s Sky developer Hello Games has released more than half dozen updates for the game after its launch and are slowly working on resolving the remaining issues reported by the player. While it can be argued that game development is tough, there is no doubt that the developers shouldn’t have released the game in such a broken state in the first place.

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What do you think about the comments made by Shahid Ahmad? Do you think that people who are requesting the refunds after playing the game for a considerable hour are justified? Let us know in the comments below.

  • Padpaw22 .

    I would sell knowingly selling a fake product would make a person a thief, in that they stole the customers money for something that will never exist

  • jono lop

    so the game promises it gets better and more exciting as you get closer to the goal but to get closer you have to spend 50+ hours… you keep pushing wondering “when the hell is it going to get better like in the gameplay videos on the store page?!” now at 120 hours you realize that NO, it NEVER gets any better and you’ve spent 120 hours of time on a lie… congratulations you’re “a thief” when you demand your money back for your wasted time

  • Kahlief

    I LOVE THIS from Shahid, not liking a game is completely different from a game not working. If you want to find out if developers are keeping their word wait until the game comes out and read up on the reviews.

    Consumer laziness is constantly rewarded and it’s annoying.

  • Ivan Agustin Valencia Acuña

    can we call them ”thieves” if they raise the price of psn plus withou notables upgrades and if psn got shut down again in holydays?

  • Section8

    All you self entitled children here crying about the game clearly have no clue what you’re doing. It’s like no one here did any research on the game before it came out. There were hundreds of hours of footage on the game the week before release. The game is a survival/exploratory game. There’s always going to be something missing from games once they release and countless articles can attest to that. Just wait until it gets patched it.

    If you drive your car for a year, no, you don’t get to take it back for a refund. You’re uneducated on what you should be playing. Technically there is nothing wrong with the game. A bit slow paced but hey, we all knew that going in. If you want to play a game that holds your hand, play COD. Each new one has a tutorial that you go through in case you forgot how to play since the last time you played. Which was probably the day before.

    And how many people forget that the people who created this game….is only 4 people. So at least have some dignity and act like an adult.

    The one point I will concede on is the price. It shouldn’t have been more than $50. This game is akin to a point and click game. Almost. If that makes sense.

    • Vivienne Vexx

      “something”

      Try 80% of it

  • Jon

    What an idiot. So we’re thieves because they sold us a game that basically didn’t exist? Yeah no. The thieves are the people who blatantly falsely marketed this game as something it is not using “gameplay” footage that is not in the final shipped product and charged us AAA price for it

  • Lucas Kilmer

    False advertising is FRAUD. What if a player spent 10 hours in NMS just trying to find the places which have been shown in the E3 demos (that now we know were scripted with pre-built assets that doesn’t exist in the final release). Why don’t we see these many “thieves” in other games asking for a refund? Maybe because consumers feel cheated after discover that they spent $60 in something totally different of what was advertised.

  • jheriko

    he is very polite. i would have used the words “self entitled prick” rather than thief… or maybe “repulsive buboe on the face of human society”…

    whatever the case, its ludicrous to believe anyone can sink that much time into a game and not get their monies worth….

  • sampson3121

    people need to see this

    • holybagpipes

      He tweeted that a day before release, that’s fishy.

    • Vivienne Vexx

      People need to not be so god damn dense, for years he said it was multiplayer.

  • Skorge

    Sony is full of trash employees, no wonder that company is both morally and financially bankrupt and irrelevant outside of gaming smh

  • Tsukasa Hiiragi

    The only thiefs here are HG and to a lesser extent, Sony. Its one thing to overhype a bad game, but its entirely something else to bait and switch AND to falsely advertise a game purely to garner as much money as possible, so tell me? Who is the thief here?

  • Brian Schaefer

    While I would agree with this guy if it was a refund for something like not being fun or something. However, this is a case of false advertising. The dev said multiple times during development that you would be able to fly with your friends, if you found them. Well you can’t, simple false advertising. My refund is requested.

  • Atsuko Dubrelle

    I don’t think calling someone who asks for a refund a thief is fair, anyone has the right of making a point about that some product is not what it was supposed to be, in the case of a game, you ask for a refund. Sony/Valve is acknowledging that it is the case, and that’s it. Anyone has the right to ask, but is the other part that can accept or deny. I’d not ask for a refund on after so many hours played (but that’s my policy!) and I’m a pir… thief .

  • holybagpipes

    A customer has every right to go for a refund if the reasons for said refund are valid.
    Also, what proof is there that the majority of players that underwent a refund crossed the 50 hour mark?
    Kinda sad to see this kind of reaction from this guy since it just shows that corporate greed will effect anyone’s moral judgement.

  • Fred hgggg

    Normally, I’d agree. But in this case, perfectly okay with my moral radar. The game isn’t worth 60 bucks and it was falsely advertised.

    No tears from me if the con artists get fucked.

  • Marty

    Still plan on buying game, and I know they will add stuff in future, just wish they would have informed us all better.

  • Dave McHugh

    The problem with a procedurally generated galaxy of over 18quintillion planets is that it takes about 30 hours to find anything interesting. That is a failure of game design when only 1% of the worlds you created are worth landing on. Then the developers keep saying things get more interesting toward the center when they absolutely don’t. The one feature they were clinging to where you get to name everything for other people to see turns out doesn’t even work because it deletes your progress like a god damned bunch of Langoliers hungry for your star system data.

    If I played the Witcher 3 for the hundreds of hours that I did and then tried to get my money back. Yeah, i’d be an asshole because that game was true art and I would have robbed a real company of deserved money.

    No Man’s Sky was a tech demo of an amazing engine waiting for a real developer to make a game out of it. It should never have been more than $20

  • James Lee Phillips

    Okay, let’s pretend NMS is art. No doubt you’ve been hearing all your life about how great the Mona Lisa is. So you go to the Louvre and spend 50 hours staring at it, trying to figure out what’s so great about it. It doesn’t happen for you, you go to the complaints desk, and you get your money back. Done. It’s that easy.

    • Brian Schaefer

      But in this case it would be like the museum advertising “we have the Mona Lisa” then you go and pay spend half a day looking around and then realizing they don’t have the Mona Lisa. Refund.

  • Nick Lucki

    My game logged in 120 hours between my son and I, and after two weeks, none of the features that we were sold on have not appeared. You would think that with the uproar after launch Hello games would of 1- Made a statement as to why features were not there or 2- patched them in ASAP – neither happened so I feel justified in asking for a refund.

    • jheriko

      was it falsely advertised…? because you could take your case down the legal route if that was the case.

      • Rubin Chen

        yes is was extremely falsely advertised. there are no faction wars there are no hacking into doors. In fact you get nothing substantial from becoming best friends with the factions except to use a threatening line in the conversations. I have found countless portals none of them work.

      • Namiwakiru

        Yes, yes it was.

        That’s why I got a refund yesterday, 24 days after purchase and outside the existing 7 day return policy.

        So yes, you can take it down the legal route.

    • Rubin Chen

      I completely agree! I have logged 115 hours my self looking for faction space battles and flying to the sun. I don’t know if you tried it but you can’t reach the sun. Now even if i let the multiplayer thing slide there are still many things they promised and never delivered. From encountering more than 1 walker to portals on the planets. Now am I asking for my money back because I need the 60 bucks? NO! However I DO NOT WISH to encourage more liars to making dumbass promises if they are not going to keep it. In other words, i don’t want my 60 bucks back but I don’t want Sean Murray to get any of it as well.

    • sampson3121

      i keep hearing psople say features are missing, yet they never say what they are.

      • Vivienne Vexx

        What are you talking about? People have made entire lists of things missing.

  • Gabriel knight

    Con Man’s Sky

  • Xiaolin

    Time is actually irrelevant in this case. They ADVERTISED a TON of things that are completely absent and PURPOSEFULLY said nothing about having removed them. Left it to the community to DISCOVER that they were gone and still said NOTHING. A refund is the LEAST they can do for this absolute con.

    • Tim Van Hoeck

      I agree wholeheartedly. This was a blatant scam. I had such high hopes for the game, and was (and still am) very angry to find I’d been cheated. This is not the game we were promised. By the way, anyone else find the game’s FOV to be absolutely nauseating and headache inducing?

  • omarcominyo

    I knew this game was an overrated dog from day 1! (which is why I didn’t buy it)

  • AriesSiren

    only game I got a refund for was fatal frame 2 psn. broken on release. Bought it again when they re-released it. playing 50 hours and asking for a refund is bs. It should be within 4-6. some bugs, broken areas arent realized until you get there. not all at beginning.

  • heavenshitman1

    Agreed, can’t play 50 hrs then ask for a refund. Except perhaps it took some ppl 50 hrs to realise how many features were missing (i guess its essentially a big game)

  • rizzy

    Lol at calling gamers thieves, how about HG happily taking gamers’ money for what is basically a lie?

  • T40Rs731N

    50 hours of gaming? And then asking for a refund. Scumbags. Just like the continuous lies that journalists keep posting about the game and the developer. The hate has now outshone the hype.

    No matter what SM said, the hate has surpassed that. Of course, there was the fact that he said 3 years ago that it is possible that if you were at the same place you might not see another player. Bet let’s all ignore those facts and claim that because Colbert asked him about MP while he was concentrating on playing and said, “Yeah” that trumps the 3 years of consistently telling people it wasn’t an MMO.

    Oh and a simple search on the biggest gaming sites reveals this….easily.

  • It’s basically a pretty screensaver, because nothing happens.

  • LordCancer Kain

    “If you’re getting a refund after playing a game for 50 hours you’re a thief.”

    i second this and add your also a pos low life scum bag.

    • Apollo

      Sounds like you you have trouble grasping concepts that take more than two steps to reach a conclusion.

      • Section8

        Basic human principles. You don’t get to return your car after you drove it for 3 months. Are you 12?

    • Rubin Chen

      I don’t want the refund i just want the person that made the promises to rot in hell

      • LordCancer Kain

        your in need of serious therapy. for future reference anything design around the terms “procedural generated”, avoid. in the meantime stop blaming two people for not making a game that lived up to your delusions. nonone made your pre-order this crap. i argued about this game with my best friend before it came out, i told him it was a pos.

        • Vivienne Vexx

          They lied about everything, they don’t deserve to make a single cent off of this game.

  • Erich Williams

    The way I look at it is this. For pc, if you played more than 2 hours, on no mans sky, then you are just breaking the ice. For me to have been able to see that the game was a complete total hack from what it was made out to be, I had to play roughly 20 hours into the game. That means I had to start realizing that the game was showing the same things over and over again with no merit to it at all. Same creatures, same structures, same biomes covering the whole planet. It was rare that I saw something that was different. So if 20 hours is what it took for me to realize I got jipped on the game, then 20 hours is all that is need for others to see that they should be able to get a refund too.

  • Str0b0

    If you advertise a game with certain features and then don’t ship it with those features without communicating the change to your customers then you’re a thief. It’s crap like this that makes me not pre-order anymore. At least that knob let me know who not to buy games from.

  • zero

    I agree. 50hrs & you want a refund = you are a bitch. I also agree after seeing a No Man’s Sky Then & Now or a What’s Missing from E3 debut vs 2016 release video that it is POSSIBLY DECEPTIVE MARKETING/FALSE ADVERTISEMENT.

    Usually devs put a disclaimer in their video saying “This is a Alpha build & not representative of final product. Certain features, gameplay, graphics may change or be removed from final retail product.” I dont remember seeing that in the videos. If it’s there, = Not false advertising. If it’s not there, “Houston, we have a problem.”

    • Corvus Dove

      It’s not there (yet more missing content, but this time in the videos lol), but I can show you Sean Murray asserting things that aren’t there would be there directly to Stephen Colbert on live television…

      • T40Rs731N

        And we also can see plenty of evidence stating what the game is on the About page…. for the game. Then of course, there are all the interviews that were posted online like the one entitled: Stop Thinking of No Man’s Sky as a Multiplayer Game….in 2014.

  • Hasan Ahmad

    Let me tell you something about Shahid Ahmad. He has a hatred for Ahmadi Muslims. He wants society to force to call them non Muslims. Read up on Ahmadi Muslims anywhere on Google. in the west they are in the forefront confronting extremist ideologies yet Shahid Ahmad agrees with radical clerics that they should be marginalized and called non-muslims instead. Its a travesty this person is used as a source for VG news if you know the character of the person. You can go to youtube and look up shahid kamal and khatme nabuwwat and see the kinds of radical clerics he associates with in that movement, a movement whose member recently murdered an Ahmadi muslim in UK for expressing greetings to christian for a christian holiday.

    • Rick

      Thats shocking to know, what a scumbag.

      • strida solidus

        he’s lying. ask him for actual evidence

    • strida solidus

      you got evidence of that. actual proof. not “type youtube and search XYX”

  • Corvus Dove

    Isn’t this what Casey Hudson said pretty much verbatim when people were upset with the ending of Mass Effect 3? End result; the game was available for 20 bucks used, 30 bucks retail within one month and the entire dev team had to come back in, voice actors included, and record more fleshed out endings.

    Sorry, Sahid. It’s still a widget. It may be a work of art, that’s true. I have a handmade mug I drink coffee out of, and the artisan who made it I’m sure takes what they create just as seriously. There’s only one thing that makes the mug different from a video game in regards to the market; my mug does everything it was advertised to do. If it didn’t, I’d have made the artisan refund me my money. The problem might not be apparent for the first few cups of coffee, and I might see if its worth it to me to just put my thumb over the crack, but in the end, I’m coming back to get a refund. Once I buy your art, be it as a license or a physical component, it’s a product. An appliance. A thing I paid money for to use for awhile and then toss aside like used wrapping paper. If it sucks over time, I’ll throw it out. If it doesn’t serve its purpose even though it was advertised that it would, then I’m coming back for a refund, and if I don’t get one, next comes a summons to court. That’s why laws about false advertising actually exist.

  • JinJon

    I totally agree with this guy. Asking for a refund after 50 hours of playtime?! Go fuck yourselves. Even if you didn’t get to experience the things Sean Murray said are NOT in the game, you still got your money’s worth. Maybe y’all should stop getting so butt hurt when a game is made the way a developer wants, instead of catering to what you all think it should be.

    • Corvus Dove

      Good, slave consumer. We have taught you well not to question the quality of your purchases or use your legal rights to enforce quality control over what you buy. You shall be rewarded for your obedience with a 10% discount tag on Steam on the release day when the paid DLC they said wouldn’t exist becomes available.

      • JinJon

        If I play a game for fifty hours, it’s because I enjoyed it. People asking for refunds after playing for fifty hours are fucking liars.

        • Hvd

          tell all your crying to psn and steam no one cares.

        • Kuari

          So if a family buys the game and each individual plays it for varying amount of time that adds up to 50 hours and they all have the same issue with it, they are less entitled to a refund than an individual who played for the same amount of time the longest player in that family played? It may be an exception to the rule, but those exceptions need to be taken into account.

        • Apollo

          Lol, I love how much evidence you need to prove Sean lied about the game, but immediately jump to conclusions about everyone wanting to refund the game after 50 hours. Man, your awareness is….limited.

      • Joseph Tkach

        You’re like those dudes who go to Mcdonald’s, eat their whole meal, then go ask for a refund because the quality was bad. smh

        • Alarnt

          What if you are like the dudes who goes to Mcdonald’s eat the half the meal only then to find out that 4 out of 5 ingredients are no where to be found ? and it took you some time to realise it… So what your saying is if that is the case and you ask for a refund, then you are a thief ? I have spent mabye 6-8 hour in the game and asked for a refund. Not because its a total crap of a game, but because it was markedet to be so much more than what it actualy is

          • DW

            We are talking about something wildly different. 50 hours vs 6. It’s a bit different.

            Also, even then, I have never asked for a refund on a game. I chalk it up as a loss and move on. That’s just me, personally.

          • Franck Delcroix

            Checking the sandwish once its in your stomach ? Or did you spit it out to count the beans ? Your logic is of a dishonest person. Check your sandwish before eating it and take a refund before it get to excrement.

          • Alarnt

            Yea obveusly, there is no way in hell to open rest of the sandwich once you tale a bite of it… And how the hell do you check a game befor you start playing it? Your Logic is that of a retard….

          • Apollo

            Your ability to relate the relevant parts of an analogy to each other is pretty basic and imperceptive.

          • Section8

            You asked for a refund because it’s not the type of game you want. It’s technically a survival explorer game. If you want something else go buy destiny.

          • Alarnt

            Sure, it has nothing to do with that the game is broken and not at all what was advertised.

        • Apollo

          What a stupid, generalized analogy.

      • jheriko

        tool.

      • Section8

        Good thing you’re not at the top of the pecking order. We’d be in a worse state.

      • Jack Stevens

        There are 18 quintillion planets in the game. The estimated time to investigate the entire game is 50 billion years. So no, people are very much not thieves for spending 50 hours on the game. Not only that, for that one specific person Khalid was talking about, the game crashed repeatedly. I could spend over 200 hours on that game and return it. Why? Because I gave my hard earned money for a product that is subject to false advertisement and defective construction. As the customer, if I spend half of those hours trying to desperately get that product to work, and the other half finding myself playing a game that does not feature the requirements that were advertised, I will most certainly will get a redundant. You are not entitled to my money if you cannot deliver your advertised promises.

    • c4ptchunk

      I have a thought for you. If a vehicle manufacturer has told you that it’s car is guaranteed to work for life or even 10 years and it works for 50 hours and you want it replaced or refunded because of it, according to your argument you are in the wrong for expecting it to work as promised.

      • JinJon

        What?

    • Tim Van Hoeck

      No we did not get our money’s worth. We were lied to. False advertising is technically illegal, especially when trying to convince the consumer to buy said product. It seems more than half, if not 2/3 of all promised features were ripped out of the final product prior to launch. The game that was shown in trailers and the game we got are as different as night and day.

      • JinJon

        That’s not the point. The point is people played for over 50 hours, and then are asking for a refund. It doesn’t take 50 hours to figure out that it’s not the game you expected.

        • Apollo

          That sounds exactly to be the point. This game is inherently advertised to offer hundreds of hours of gameplay. 50 hours is playing the game with good faith in mind for the developer.

        • Rubin Chen

          you obviously haven’t played it. or even watch twitch on it. IT is not about the playtime its the waste of my time trying to find what sean promised. hell even if he just out right told us that factions wars are not going to be in the game or that the sun is fake. i wouldn’t be so pissed its the fact that he made me waste 115 hours of my life on this piece of crap that pisses me off. KEEP the 60 bucks but don’t let sean murray have a penny of it

          • JinJon

            Lmao, I have the game from day one. I knew after about ten hours that that’s all I would experience besides different planets. But the game is still enjoyable to me. But you spent 115 hours expecting more?! You’re crazy. People like you have no idea what it takes to make a video game.

      • jheriko

        what false advertising? if you have examples, cite them, and then you have a case…

        • Vivienne Vexx

          Google *anything about it* and you’ll find lists of things that were claimed to be in there and are not. God damn is googling suddenly that hard for people?

    • Apollo

      No, go fuck yourself along with Shahid.
      If you’re HG or Sony and not offering open refunds for the con of the year that is NMS, you’re the thief.
      For those that put in 50 hours, they were being strung along that there’s this “greater mystery” you discover as you play more of the game. Oh it’s all about discovery, there’s billions of stars you could visit, so that mystery/puzzle must take time to unfold.

      It’s people with a superiority complex like you who bitch about people who “want it all right now” then bitch about people who’ve taken their time to figure out what the game is about. It’s just depends on whose side you’re on at the moment.
      Yeah, go fuck yourself you absurd hypocrite.

      • jheriko

        are you for real?

        was it really falsely advertised? can you qualify your argument properly?

        i think the proposal that these people are essentially thieves isn’t without merit… after all they heavily used a product then asked for their money back. ignoring any other context that alone is a bit of an absurd proposition.

        if you can argue that they were positively mislead into buying something that wasn’t delivered then i’d completely agree with you, but you seem to have failed to make a single credible point in that direction.

        • Vivienne Vexx

          Yes it was falsely advertised, google it. Stop being so damned blind to the obvious.

    • Vivienne Vexx

      You know, if you actually did some research you’d find that the guy with 50 hours had TONS and TONS of crashes logged on it as he was trying to fix it. It didn’t work, thus he refunded it.

      Learn the subject of what you’re talking about or you’re going to come off as ignorant.

      • JinJon

        He’s trying to fix it? That sentence. What does that mean? Like I say, if someone plays for fifty hours and then asks for a refund, they’re just taking advantage.

        • Vivienne Vexx

          It means exactly what it says.

          He was trying to fix it during the time he had it opened.

          Reading comprehension has gone down quite a bit it seems.

  • extermin8or2

    OK I’ve followed this game since its announcement. And I’ve just checked and the features advertised to sell the game were there. The multiplayer aspect was always advertised as another player could potentially fly oast you in a spaceship or whatever but you would never know. They specifically stated many many times thst there was no way to join a friend and that the universe wqs so vast in all likelihood no two players would ever be playing and be in the same space as one another. That’s what they said…. No false advertising there. The footage shown was of planets in a different earlier version of the universe simulation and they had used programmed probes to work out which planets would be good to use to show. Also everything shown till recently was always of a game in development and was always said to be so. As such have fun getting a false advertising claim through when the features and content of a game still in development are in flux. What a bunch of Self entitled wankers getting refunds after 50 hours… Wtf…..
    Sorry to be the voice of logic to some of you who won’t like what I’ve said but it’s the truth.

    • Emoclaw

      Two players tried to meet on STREAM and at the exact same spot, they couldn’t see each other. Not only that, but they also had different time, one of them had day and the other had night, on the exact same planet, at the exact same spot. Where are the sand only planets? Where are the water only planets? Where are the giant worms? Where are all the large space battles between factions which you can join and take sides? Where is landing on asteroids? Where are the giant fleets of ships? Where are ringed planets? WHERE IS NAMING MY FUCKING SHIP?? WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE EVERYONE ELSE’S SHIP AND I CAN’T CHANGE IT? It seems you haven’t been following the game enough, none of these features are in the game.

      • Franck Delcroix

        I agree with both side. 50 hours is too much 10 hours should fit the bill, and i agree many thing like freighters having own agenda and moving aren t there for example as much as pirates ships passing throught them is there, All in all many of the lacks can be patched , i think in less than a year, sad terrible and unhetics maybe. But with this refund policy the fixes will probably never see the light. And many people that played 50 hours made all to the core without exploring a bit, so all they claims about boring planet if fake. As for the glued part monsters, well this was advertised as, people weren t just willing to aknowledge it.

        • Franck Delcroix

          And i wonder what wen t behind the door. SM let excape he was under strict contract rules. Who knows what he wasnt allowed to say. Sony is a decadent company and decadent company can be bitches.

      • T40Rs731N

        “Two players tried to meet on STREAM and at the exact same spot, they couldn’t see each other. Not only that, but they also had different time, one of them had day and the other had night, on the exact same planet, at the exact same spot.”

        Sean Murray (in 2014) “But that’s okay for us because it will never happen. I guess the whole of the entire community could organize to go to one specific spot and then they would find that they weren’t all there at the same time. That would be ridiculous. ”

        What’s not to understand about this?

      • JinJon

        In Hello Games defense, how many planets have you been to? How can you say for sure that those planets don’t exist? I found a water planet a few days ago. Did you know that there are more planets than you could ever visit in your lifetime? So, you can’t really say that those planets don’t exist, because you don’t know that.

      • jheriko

        this exactly what was advertised :/

        • Vivienne Vexx

          No it wasn’t they said you could meet players. *you can’t meet players* that’s the definition of false advertisement

  • Emanuel Correia

    50 Hours is nothing for a game bigger than your life.

  • Panty Sniffer

    i’m not a thief, im a real genuine Pantie sniffer

  • ayy lmao

    customer satisfaction or your money back guaranteed doesn’t exist anymore to these people

    hello games deserves this

    • T40Rs731N

      Are you masturbating about this?

  • BigD

    Seems a bit like a fucking bitter asshole to me.

  • Nintengods

    Glorious meltdowns

  • Deborah

    Sean Murray is the thief, he is guilty of fraud and should be held accountable for his actions or lack off. His claims and misrepresentation of No Mans Sky both through verbal and video are a crime and he should be prosecuted for the first out lies he told regarding the game

    • Jaime Petrykiewicz

      This is a joke right? You want to prosecute someone for making the biggest game ever made and not having everything you want in it? I don’t care if it doesn’t have every little detail the dev said they were looking of implementing in the game it is still by far the biggest game ever made. You could play your whole life and still never see everything in it. Not many games can say that.

      • Corvus Dove

        That doesn’t really matter. This is similar to how you can be sued for what you say on the internet by the holder of an IP. Example:

        “Every Woman’s Ground” is a horrible piece of software that gave me diabetes – This is libelous

        In my opinion, “Every Woman’s Ground” is a horrible piece of software that gave me diabetes – This is safe

        Asserting something is true publicly actually does make you legally responsible for that assertion. Murray never said “this might be in there” or “we’re working on that, but no promises” or even “That’s on a gantt chart somewhere but it’ll probably need to be DLC”. A simple “It’s a feature, yes, though we’re still in development and playtesting” is common from developers. All of these are safe. When you go on television answering questions with a binary answer like “Yes”, that’s asserting it as fact when it isn’t true. That, in marketing, is actually illegal if you remove the feature and don’t tell a soul (or if the feature was just thrown in with nifty CGI). NMS in the USA fits under both laws governing advertising and criminal law involving bait and switch tactics.

        • Tsukasa Hiiragi

          Pretty much, I’ll guarantee that class action lawsuits will probably come soon especially when people who try to get a refund and are denied, no matter the time played, even if you played 100+ hours.

          I have 74 hours logged in total, that comes from the first week of playing NMS and nothing else, trying to find the content that was promised – I haven’t even attempted to head towards the center of the universe because I was looking for the content in the E3 videos and previews, I found none of it – So people are crying about people being thieves? HS are the real thieves here by obviously scamming people.

          Any fanboy dare say otherwise, and I’ll post every single freakin’ comparison video on youtube, every single interview that Murray has had in the past few months, everything from this thinly veiling promises such as the now infamous “Multiplayer??…..sure why not” comments. There is such a dramatic amount of missing features and content, HG was selling the consumers on tech demos that obviously the final product was never going to have, it really is Colonial Marines all over again, this time so many more people we’re burned that there really is going to be consequences because of this.

      • Str0b0

        18 quintillion bowls of plain oatmeal. It’s not just that features that people wanted were left out it’s that features that were advertised and demonstrated didn’t make it. That happens a lot, but where Hello Games screwed up was not communicating that to the customer, especially with pre-orders. No hacking, no planetary physics, no low level flight, no manual flight between systems, no interaction between players, not even the slim chance that was teased. There is an entire list, with sources, on Reddit of features that were teased, advertised, or demonstrated that were simply left out. It doesn’t matter how big it is because it isn’t the game people were sold on.

      • Tim Van Hoeck

        The size of the game is irrelevant here. The issue here is that the developers used deceptive marketing and blatant lies to get us to buy a product that is nothing like what was advertised. At least half of the features advertised are not present in the final product. And also, 18 quintillion planets in this game roughly equals 900 quadrillion planets of 20 different types, all nearly exactly the same for their respective types. In other words you see 20 planets, you’ve effectively seen them all. The game is a shell. The marketing was a scam. And gamers have every right to be pissed off about it. If you like it, kudos to you. But don’t start shaming others who are genuinely pissed off about being lied to and cheated by the developers.

      • Vivienne Vexx

        Oh wow, I can have this *huge box filled with nothing!*

        It’s SO BIG!

    • Tim Van Hoeck

      Sony is just as guilty as Sean Murray and Hello Games are.

  • MeiReiNeko

    You have all the right to do so when you are not getting what you were promised, I don’t order a cheeseburger and get the cheese but not the meat and have to deal with that, if the employee gets evasive I call the manager, same thing as wanting a refund.

    • T40Rs731N

      But you don’t get the refund on the burger after you ate it, digested, and defecated it out.

      Especially when you actually got the burger and the cheese, but someone else said you didn’t.

  • Nick

    The only Thieves here are The Developers, this game is like going to the dentist, a long wait for nothing but boredom and pain. And calling the people who buy your products thieves is an awful business practice, I will certainly never buy shit from his studio

  • SirWalrus

    He is absolutely right.

    • Apollo

      The corporate slave? Sure he is, in backwards corporatism rules the world-land.

  • sampson3121

    he’s right. isn’t like buying a dinner, eating it all, and then asking for your money back? yup!

    • GWP316C

      when u poop blood after you would cause it had grinded up roach seasoning

      • sampson3121

        so you think people that played 40-50 hrs should get their money back? if that’s the case we could do that with every game, then they would stop making video games all together.

        • Tim Van Hoeck

          Your logic is absolute fallacy. The whole ‘gamer entitlement’ arguement is just a tactic video game companies, journalists, fanboys/girls and SJWs use to tell legitimate consumers to shut up because they dared to criticise said product. It’s honestly disgusting how many people don’t care about the abusive, anti-consumerist practices that are running rampant throughout the industry. Broken games, deceptive marketing, sjw pandering, journalism skewed at attacking gamers, blatant lies and hypocrisy, the list goes on and on. And then when honest, legitimately pissed gamers decide to call them out on their bullsh*t, they get demonized and slandered. It is these practices that will eventually lead to a second video game crash, one that could destroy the industry forever.

          • sampson3121

            “Your logic is absolute fallacy. The whole ‘gamer entitlement’ arguement is just a tactic video game companies, journalists, fanboys/girls and SJWs use to tell legitimate consumers to shut up because they dared to criticise said product.”

            if you play 40 hrs and want your money back? i say fuck you!

          • jheriko

            sometimes, people hype themselves up over something, imagine something that wasn’t there and have their hopes dashed by a product… but if you buy something and expect it to do things it obviously can not, and wouldn’t be reasonably expected to, then its your own damned fault, and expecting a refund is beyond reason.

    • Brian Schaefer

      I wouldn’t request my money back after 50 hrs but they do have a reason for complaint. There was false advertising, you cant fly with your friend after 2 hrs just like you can’t at 50 hrs.

      • sampson3121

        where does he say you can fly with a friend?

        • Vivienne Vexx

          XD You mean the post he made RIGHT BEFORE it launched after years of saying it’s multiplayer? Why are people defending this piece of garbage when any google search will show you that he *clearly said* it was multiplayer.

    • Apollo

      Sure, if you’ve ordered a soy burger and got real beef instead.

      Or if the meal gave you food poisoning.

      Sony Shahid is like “Wahh we don’t want to give refunds for falsely advertising the game, because that was our best plan on salvaging the money poured into the product, so of course we have a conflict of interest and behave with open hostility to the same people we duped.”

      • sampson3121

        “falsely advertising” explain what they falsely advertised.

        • Vivienne Vexx

          Holy fuck every one of you that thinks it wasn’t falsely advertised must be living under a rock. Can people google stuff anymore? Is that a lost art or something?

  • BelimaiSykes

    Screw this guy. First off the reason refunds are being honored after so much play time is too firmly avoid a false advertising lawsuit. The extent of the lies can certainly be dragged into court should a refund request not be honored. Now calling people thieves for doing so is a very poor decision. The false advertising in this case is what drove players to play as long as they did looking for content that isn’t there. The experience itself to many was not he driving force and those players feel thier time was wasted. Basicly this guy knows refunds must be honored to avoid legal action but wants to shame players into keeping something they didn’t know they bought.

    • T40Rs731N

      Lawsuit. Lulz. So, I can sue you for misrepresenting what was really advertised about the game because you posted your ignorant rant on a comments section?

      According to you, I can sue the developers of Deus Ex Mankind Divided because it doesn’t have the multiplayer I wanted and the developer never said would be there? Wow.

      Go hate something else like Astronomy or Math, leave gaming to those who like it.

      • Alarnt

        there is a big difference if you didnt like Deux exs multiplayer, other than it would just not be in the game if it was adverticed…
        Stupid argument

        • T40Rs731N

          Exactly. You understand. You can’t sue Hello Games for something that it was never advertised to have, even though it does have MP exactly as it was described in 2014.

          • Alarnt

            and you clearly dont. Its not the multiplayer thats the issue here, it is many features that was advertised/marketed for the game thats not in there. But when you speak of multiplayer.. Geoff Keighley intervued SM, and said to SM, and I quote : You guys are building your own massivly online multiplayer, to wich SM responds : “thats right”…he did not say..no,no,no its not that.. he sayd “THATS RIGHT”!

          • T40Rs731N

            Sean Murray 2014: “No. Just to be really clear, the reason that I’m saying this is we just want to be really clear with people that it is not an MMO. All of those questions are leading toward that. There are loads of MMOs out there. People can play those.”

          • T40Rs731N

            Please link said advertisements. Thanks.

          • holybagpipes

            I see the fanboy in you is strong.

          • T40Rs731N

            I see the lack of evidence.

          • holybagpipes

            Then stop being so blind.

          • Vivienne Vexx

            GOOGLE, YOU DENSE FANBOY

            People have became to lazy to do their own damn research,

          • T40Rs731N

            Google is a search engine, you dense moron.

            There are no advertisements that claim such.

            Fanboy = fan of a game. So? Is that an insult?

            You hate games so much you cam to an article two weeks late to respond? And still, 0 advertisements making the claims the OP stated.

          • Vivienne Vexx

            *GASP* Google’s a search engine!? Oh my god I had no idea! It’s certainly not that I was saying you could use Google to, oh I don’t know. *look stuff up*. Which if you’re smarter than a child, you’d go on google and since I need to fucking spell it out for you. Look up what they said you could do in the game. You dense moron.

            Hello Games has said multiple things during interviews. Can you guess what that is!?…Actually since you can’t figure it out on your own I’ll tell you. *it’s advertisement* you dense moron

            When you can’t even be bothered to think and deny the truth. *yes it is a very bad thing to be a fanboy*

            XD I don’t hate games and nothing I said gives that impression, I hate studios like Hello Games that lie their asses off and scam people. But also I hate fanboys like you that blind themselves because they’re so wrapped around a certain studios legs screaming “I love you!” so loudly that rational thought is lost on them.

          • T40Rs731N

            You clearly hate gaming. But the research has been done, by using google and now that it blows your claims out of the water, you have nothing.

            Sean Murray said it would be “impossible” for you to meet someone in the game because “you can’t sync 60K players.” He said this in 2014 and now you are mad because you are proved wrong.

            Add to that, not one advertisement or commercial supports the OP’s claim of false advertisement. Not one. Learn what advertisements are, moron.

          • Tim Van Hoeck

            Technically it was. Sean Murray said time and again that multiplayer interactions would be very rare. That does not equate to a “no’. You either have multiplayer or you don’t. Sean Murray lied. And before you try to claim that I’m some “butthurt” or “entitled” whiner, I don’t really care about multiplayer personally, but it is still something that is vital to the issue.

          • T40Rs731N

            Technically it wasn’t. Where on the NMS About page does it say it is a multiplayer game. What was confusing about Sean Murray saying, “No. Just to be really clear, the reason that I’m saying this is we just want to be really clear with people that it is not an MMO. All of those questions are leading toward that. There are loads of MMOs out there. People can play those.” in 2014.

            So the issue is this: Is that game multiplayer. And you want a binary answer: Yes/ No.

            So, the experience is single player. This isn’t an MMO. However, it is online and you can see that other players have discovered a system, planet, flora and fauna. You can see where they have been.

            But Sean said that you could conceivably get together and plan to meet but find that you aren’t even on the same planet at the same time. This is why those two streamers didn’t see each other. However, it is possible, however unlikely, that you could bump into someone who is in your same “lobby.” And that is why on Colbert he said that is the only way you could know what your character looks like. It was a specific answer to a specific question.

            So, to claim “it isn’t multiplayer” is false. There was no misleading about this throughout the development of the game. The game simply isn’t an MMO.

          • Vivienne Vexx

            He said you could see other people

            Yo can not see other people

            Do you have the education to know what that’s called?

            That’s called false advertising.

            Learn the definition of the word before you speak.

            Holy fuck all these people don’t know shit about researching is making me sad for the future.

          • T40Rs731N

            Yes you can see other people. He said you can and you can. Has anyone seen anyone else in game? No. That is because the other player must also be in your lobby. You see, in 2014, this was explained, clearly, in an article entitled: Stop thinking of No Man’s Sky as a Multiplayer Game.

            You really have just shown your lack of ability to research, since that article has been on the internet for over 2 years. Similar articles also appear on IGN.

            Why is it you don’t know that articles available for years on the internet “aren’t research” in your book.

            You have to be one of the dumbest fucking people to sit at a computer. See, I can ad hominem too!

          • Vivienne Vexx

            Everything you said related to multiplayer is invalidated by the obvious fact that no one has been able to play with anyone else, you fail to understand this simple fact and you think I’m the idiot. This is what I was talking about with you blind as fuck fanboys. 🙂

            Oh? Articles? Doesn’t fucking matter. This was all said directly from Sean Murray that all this stuff would be in there and it isn’t.

          • T40Rs731N

            So, now research doesn’t matter? Make up your mind, retard. Does research matter or not? You claimed that people need to do research, then when the research doesn’t match your claim, you get all mad that someone did research.

            God, you are stupid.

          • T40Rs731N

            It’s not binary, sorry about that. The problem appears to be only for those with the inability to think beyond binary, either/or ideas.

      • BelimaiSykes

        Lol talk about ignorance while spewing ignorant shit yourself. I don’t think anybody really cares about the multiplayer which was said to be there btw. It’s the other massive laundry list of lies people are really upset over. That’s a far cry from wanting features never so much as mentioned. The missing features were not only talked about in interviews but shown in fake game play footage.

    • Tim Van Hoeck

      I agree. Sony and Hello Games are technically thieves for purposely deceiving their would-be consumers on a game where the hype was based on blatant lies, false advertising, and snake-oil sales tactics. And then they have the gall to say we shouldn’t get refunds, or in Hello Games’ (and Sean Murray’s) case, play the silent game in response to angry consumers expressing their outrage. Sean Murray, Hello Games and Sony should be taken to court for marketing fraud.

  • Waru

    He isn’t wrong about everything. Refunds need to be limited. I would think 10 hours would be enough time to know if you would like a game or not. If you played for longer you really shouldn’t be allowed a refund. That’s insane. That mean you played something for hours afterwards knowing full well you didn’t like it.

    • GWP316C

      this is an exception day 1 buyers took longer then that to know sean lied. I got disc i sold day 4 got 18 for it. I hope class action happens like aliens cm bs

      • T40Rs731N

        I bought it. I earned the platinum. How is it that he didn’t lie to me or the millions of others who love the game, but he magically lied to a vocal minority of people who mostly game on the Xbox One?

    • Tim Van Hoeck

      Not quite. Different people may take shorter or longer to figure out whether they like a game or not. Especially if they are of the casual gamer type. Either way, this game is false advertising at it’s worst.

  • slap

    I don’t give a toss about multiplayer, it was never advertised or sold as Multiplayer. I can understand some of the frustration after watching Angry Joes very fair review of the game, however I never watched or read any of the hype train bullshit before I got the game. I liked the look and sound of it and tried it, loved it and bought it. Those still whining about it need to move on

    • GWP316C

      it did to advertise mp mr to lazy to research you sheep believe fake news. it was not hinted it was told it had mp article writer copies off other false info articles

      • T40Rs731N

        Talk about too lazy to research. The MP was in small ways like finding what someone else discovered. The MP you are referring to was never advertised.

        Do some research, lazy. Sean Murray explicitly said, ” I guess the whole of the entire community could organize to go to one specific spot and then they would find that they weren’t all there at the same time. That would be ridiculous. ”

        ….in 2014.

    • Brian Schaefer

      They did advertise multiplayer.

  • Jane Moore

    who cares about some random neckbeard. he got fired from sony.

  • rllintrllin

    What a clown. If the game stops working after 50 hours, you’re entitled to refund. It’s that simple. IT’S A BROKEN PRODUCT. Just look at skyrim on ps3…Not to mention all the lies and deceptive marketing.

    • slap

      I’m still playing it after 60 hours. Not sure what you’re trying to say. And Skyrim? Ermmm skyrim still works wtf are you smoking?

    • Sir_Brizz

      Let me know when you find a game where the problems aren’t evident until exactly hour 50.

      • Corvus Dove

        Find me another game where the game world is of such size and is compiled in such a way that it takes 50 hours just to be certain something is totally missing. That’s pretty uniquely a No Man’s Sky problem.

      • TaraXaverie

        I played one of the multi disc star ocean games where the last disc was glitched and froze on the same cutscene no matter what I did. Three weeks in and game stop gave me a refund because it was broken. So, it could happen. Not saying one way or the other as far as the ethics, but it is not impossible.

      • Vivienne Vexx

        If you did any sort of research you’d see the reason it got that high was because he was trying to fix it *because it would not stop crashing*

        • Sir_Brizz

          Why would you spend 50 hours trying to fix a game that is broken? If you spend that long trying to fix it, then that stinks to be you. If it’s too broken for you to use, refund it immediately and try again later.

          • Vivienne Vexx

            A thing called dedication exists and is a big deal for some of us.

          • Sir_Brizz

            That’s great, but you know the refund policy before you get “dedicated”. So you have a choice to make: 1) try to get it to work for ~2 hours and if not refund it, or 2) try to get it to work for 50 hours and if not wait for a patch that well hopefully fix the problems you are having because you already knew you wouldn’t be able to refund it afterwards.

            I have many games where there is zero chance I am going to refund them and if I have problems I try to get them to work through various means.

            However, if the ability to refund was important to me, I wouldn’t spend more than an hour trying to get it to work before refunding it.

            It’s not a lack of dedication, it’s knowing what you are getting yourself into before you get into it.

    • JinJon

      So, if you drive a car for ten years and then it breaks down, do you get a refund? You’re logic is flawed bruh.

      • Rick

        So much logic fail in your own comment and someone even upvoted you, kinda shows the knowledge of some people lurking on this site. How can you compare a car breakdown to this? It makes zero sense. Also “You’re logic is flawed bruh” Lemme go wash my eyes out with soap. If I had the game and continuously played for over 50 hours waiting for certain game elements to pop up that were advertised, you can bet your pony asses that I’d ask for a refund if there is a no show for those said features. I don’t care what you goofs think of me, more power to the people.

        • JinJon

          If you played a game for fifty hours, still waiting for a game feature, then you should jump off a cliff, cause you’re a waste of air. Anyone who played that long and asked for a refund is just trying to take advantage. It took me about ten hours to finally realize there was nothing more the game had to offer. Fifty hours, either the person is mentally challenged or trying to take advantage of the refunds.

  • Hvd

    im questioning sony on their promotion for this game.i dont by for one second they didnt know that that was all the game was.everyone is blaming no mans lie but sony pushed this game on you guys for years.they are equal to blame for it.

    • GWP316C

      sony knew and after ghostbuster bs hiring sjw pr team to discredit consumers shows how sony is ms not any better

      • Hvd

        its why ill never trust sony.they knew what the game was the whole time.

  • This guy is a moron. 2 hours is no where near long enough for people to realize how many features were missing. Or to realize that they have in fact seen 90% of the game already.

    • Barry Harden

      So how long? I think 5 hours is more than enough time otherwise you’re either too stupid to progress in a game or just blatantly ripping off the system.

      People should NOT be allowed refunds if you go over 10 hours of playtime.

      • rllintrllin

        If you’re washing machine breaks down after 10 hours? Your car? Your PS4? Doesn’t matter how long he played it for. If it ceases to work after a certain point, the person is entitled to a refund.

        • Barry Harden

          Developers never leave a game broken in that state. Sony wouldn’t allow Hello Games to just leave it like that. All games as you know will eventually have patches to fix game breaking glitches.

          • c4ptchunk

            “Developers never leave a game broken in that state.” Bullshit, there are plenty of games that are intentionally left with game breaking bugs because they determine that it isn’t worth the cost to continue trying to fix their broken game and don’t give a shit about you as the consumer. For example, Fez.

          • Barry Harden

            I remember when Batman: Arkham Knight was refunded for PC mainly because it was really BROKEN. The console versions were fine but both Sony and Micro$oft would’ve killed WB if they released a broken game on their platforms.

        • Jaime Petrykiewicz

          Um that isn’t true. You can only guarantee something will work for so long. And you can not compare mechanical items with intellectual property which is what video games are they are art that you can participate in. Most games now don’t last more than 8 hours.

          • Thor Mjolnirs

            “Um that isn’t true.” In terms of show-stopping bugs, yes, it is.

        • T40Rs731N

          When did NMS “cease to work” exactly?

          • holybagpipes

            In some cases on PC, the game refused to boot up on systems having older processors.
            This got fixed after more than a week had passed and the developers didn’t mention that on or before release.

          • T40Rs731N

            So, because some people are new to gaming on PC and got the game and it didn’t work to their specifications they got mad at a company that fixed their problem in a week.

            I am honestly starting to think most of the “outrage” is fake. Simply because these same people will go grab a Big Mac and that looks nothing like what you see in a commercial. They don’t rage about it.

          • holybagpipes

            The issue I mentioned was widely reported on steam with the developers acknowledging it as well. Plus, those processors are pretty old and a lot of newer games still support them. So it’s dubious that they’re owned by people who are new to PC gaming.

            Also, that’s a pretty wild accusation you’re throwing around there.

        • holybagpipes

          If the reason is valid, then a customer is totally entitled to a refund.

        • jheriko

          working and being enjoyable are two different things. try returning a car or washing machine that works within its specifications but makes a horrible noise…

      • Corvus Dove

        The problem with that logic is one of the advertising points of the game that may or may not be true. When you increase the size of the game world by orders of magnitude from the standard, so must the sample size in hours increase to get the same information you could get in 1 hour from, say, a Bethesda or Ubisoft game. People like to be sure they have reason to be disappointed, so they keep looking for whats missing. You can’t fault them for taking the time to make an informed decision before asking for a refund.

        • T40Rs731N

          They aren’t talking about 10 hours though, are they. they aren’t talking about spending a full day at the controller, are they?

          Are they talking 30 hours? Nope. 40 hours of play? Nope. After 30-40 hours of playing NMS, you know what the game is. This article is about a person who is saying that, after 50 hours of playing, asking for a refund is just being a thief.

      • Over

        It also takes time to know that getting to the center, which was always teased by Sean Murray, was a big trolling from his part. There’s nothing, the image zooms out and you start again with a broken ship.

        There were straight lies and omissions by Sean Murray about this game. It’s not just a case of excessive hype. Sean Murray mislead everyone, on purpose.

      • Vivienne Vexx

        They should be if the game turned out to be how No Mans Sky did. IE: Garbage

  • kee1haul

    He’s a fuckin twat anyway.

  • SpeakTruthAlways

    Isn’t this the guy who said “Give me 60fps or give me death.” on twitter? Look how that turned out.

    • lanmanna

      Your profile pic is frightening

  • don’t want to say thief since Sony is letting you do it but it is crap that someone would play a game for that long and then complain that it wasn’t worth their time even though they played that long!

    • laneb

      Joe you speak as if you haven’t played it yourself. I don’t think people normally try to rip off companies. Can you name another time where people are wanting mass refunds with a game? It is because something is seriously wrong and if you think people are that terrible then maybe you need to have some real conversations with people who value their money more than you obviously do.

      • Brad Marcus Kirchhoff

        Ive played it for 58 hours. Im 30 years old so I have no time to troll. The game is absolutely worth playing and is far from broken. Theres nothing “seriously wrong” unless u count the gaming community these days as a whole. Ppl hating on it bc they dont understand it. Like I said, 58 hours in and still works fine. Still enjoyable as well. Dont drink the koolaid….

        • SirWalrus

          Same age. Agree totally. For 12 people its an.incredible experience, it will only improve.

          Watch everyone rebuy it and.feel so proud of their £20 saving or whatever. It’s the most ambitious game I have played in a while and well worth the money.

        • Nick

          its a boring mess, people are mad because half of the features that they claimed to be in the game were mysteriously missing when it launched, they are even still advertising some of the shit that’s missing from the game to this day, they are intentionally lying to and robbing people

          • GWP316C

            many games do the mindless sheep gen is to big now. Trump n hillary proves people are doomed

          • Corvus Dove

            They think that because it’s so big, we can’t prove it’s not there, ergo, we must be wrong.

            (Except we can, and have, and will continue to do so as more tech savvy people start decompiling the executable and trying to find the formula seeds)

        • ayy lmao

          glad to hear sean paid you enough to write this comment

          • Jay

            Get real

        • GWP316C

          you sheep allowing false advertising and defending it will doom the smarter gene pool congrats

    • rllintrllin

      Another moron that doesn’t know the whole story….The person that said he/she played it for 50 hours said they enjoyed the game but it became unplayable after that point with crash after crash. They have screenshots of all the crashes. Evidence. Undeniable proof that NMS is a broken game that should never have been released in that state to begin with. Where’s HG’s morality on knowingly releasing a broken, unfinished, misrepresented game??

      • slap

        60 hours in, zero crashes. Works just fine here

      • GWP316C

        to many sheep why bother

      • JinJon

        They didn’t knowingly release a broken game. Fuck tard.

        • Corvus Dove

          Yeah they did. Sean even started tweeting cautionary crap because he realized what was about to happen on release day. The game still was probably not ready and Sony wanted that shit released on time.

          Man, that sounds familiar. As if I heard it once before, in a Fable perhaps? The Lyinhead of HG seems to not realize that in these issues, it’s pretty Black & White. Even my friend Molyneux it.

      • Vivienne Vexx

        THANK YOU

        Holy fuck the one other person that actually researches what they are talking about.

        You have restored faith in people somewhat.

  • Tamago1

    Thank goodness this dude doesn’t work at Sony anymore.

    • Trim Dose

      Agree.

    • GWP316C

      many like him there