Fallout 4’s Latest Patch Improves Performance By Downgrading Visuals On PC, PS4 And Xbox One

Fallout 4’s latest patch has gone live on the PS4, Xbox One and PC. As we have reported earlier, the full patch notes are out and they include several bug fixes as well performance and optimization for all platforms. One of the specific example of optimization given is for Corvega Assembly Plant and it appears that Bethesda Softworks has optimized the game for that specific section by offering a slight visual downgrade on all platforms, including PC.

Some eagle eyed users on NeoGAF have discovered that the new Patch removes shadows from the Corvega Assembly Plant area in the game, which was notorious for its bad performance on PS4 and Xbox One. The frame rate at that location was reportedly running as low as 20 fps which results in stuttering experience for the player. You can see the removed shadows in the screenshot below.

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The strange thing here is that this visual downgrade also applies to the PC version of the game, as screenshot taken by NeoGAF user Ricerocket reveals similarly removed shadows from the same location on PC.

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It remains to be seen if this visual downgrade applies to just this particular location or the whole game but judging from the focus of performance improvements in this location stated in the patch notes, it could be just an specific area related performance optimization here. What’s strange though is that they have also removed the shadows from the PC version of the game as well.

Hopefully Bethesda can fix this issue in the next patch for Fallout 4 on PC, PS4 and Xbox One.

Let us know what you think about this new update in the comments below.

  • edward young

    bugthesda fans will find any excuse for anygame with bethesda on the box, i dont matter if the game loads up and says ha ha we stole youre 60 bucks game is just this video. bethesda has the dumbest fanbase out there. but if any other game dev had a 199 game engine in a nextgen game with fallout 4s outddated ugly graphics they would attack and hate the dev. if it says bethesda on the box, its not going to be capable of having good voiceacting, its gona have engine limitations from gamebyro code they always use. and it will win game of they year due to bribes bethesda pays game reviewers. witcher 3 and even gta 5 destroyed fallout 4 before fallout 4 even came out. bethesda don care about quality, just money and empty worldspace with cutr and pasted trees and objects.

  • Chiang Ken Lui Ken

    They dumbed down the graphics and the damn graphics look bad already so wtf??

  • Lambadelta

    wow some of these comments are as predictable as ever. another RPG article infested with Witcher 3 fanboys. shocking. next stop Mass Effect Andromeda articles.

    as a hardcore Witcher fan myself i prefer The Witcher 3 over Fallout 4 and i love CDPR, but it is a shame that i have to be the one to call these fanboys out for what they are. glorifying a company always end up bad for us look back and learn from history. it happened with Bethesda, Bioware, Blizzard etc and it can happen to CDPR and others so stop damaging your favorite company.

    instead of glorifying, praise when needed and bash when needed. this article is about downgrading. The Witcher 3 is downgraded. as far as technical issues are concerned, we all know that is Bethesda’s biggest weakness in order to bring us their famous playground.

  • Zues

    Thanks for this nice article! If you want to access Netflix and other streaming stations on your PS4 you can use UnoTelly as I do to get around the geo block.

  • crusader284

    Ugh, looks like this discussion has degraded into yet another Fallout vs Witcher thread. Fucking fanboys…

  • s4ndm4n2006

    I absolutely love the W3 vs FO4 rivalry. It’s as if some people think that one has to be a winner and no one can accept that both games are excellent entries into their respective series. Come on, if you like one over another, so be it but that doesn’t make everyone that disagrees with your SUBJECTIVE opinion an idiot.

  • NYC PIZZA RAT

    I had a solid 60fps before the patch..why would they downgrade it further? are they high?

  • Change your engine Bethesda

  • Alvin Brinson

    Does anyone know if the massive lag in urban areas has been solved? My game is super fast anywhere except in the downtown boston areas. No matter what I set my graphics to those areas lag.

  • Hero for hire

    Just one more reason to wait another few months before replaying. Yes, it’s playable, but it’s definitely not finished.
    To those who haven’t bought it yet: Yes, it’s a great FPS game but I’d wait a few months for a few more patches or until it was on sale before buying it.

  • sublimetalmsg

    I feel like ubsoft just told them down grading is Optimizing.

  • smfh

  • Cipher Demon

    Made an account on this website just to point out how fucking insipid and spiteful the comments are. This technology is miraculous, and people are still trying to improve it. Learn to say thank you god damn it!

    • cosmicrays

      They’re improving by taking the easy way out. I’m all down for improvements, but they can’t say “oh we didn’t optimize the shadows, so instead of working on that let’s just remove them.” That is not improvement, and if anything I have lost some respect for Bethesda, A huge fan since The Elder Scrolls Arena ( one of the first rpg games they came out with). That is why there is a lot of spiteful comments in here, because they’re needed.

  • Swivelgames

    Well that’s a bit stupid. I didn’t have any performance issues with this on PS4, and PC gamers typically have the ability to render these better than consoles. I’m a bit disappointed. I never had any issues with performance at Corvega…

  • Rob Haskins

    I didn’t notice any gfx downgrade on pc after the patch, playing on highest settings. Crappy if they did though. Seems very lazy to just patch it across the board.

  • Bezki

    Even more. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha. ”but muh optimization”

  • Eric Barrera

    It did seem to be a visual downgrade everywhere on xbone after the patch. The objects seemed less shiny but maybe that was my eyes being tired of playing non-stop.

    • -El_Greeko-

      Don’t know about that, but they could’ve downgraded the res of those textures.

  • halsn

    what a bunch of cocksuckers

  • Dante

    People need to stop shtting and Fanboying over witcher 3 , Every game has its pro’s and cons and in the same time the concept is very different

    • TeLin特林

      Don’t you dare enjoy different games than me!….even if you also enjoy what I enjoy, that other game is bad and I don’t like it!

      • Dante

        oh yeah ? well then i enjoy WItcher 3 ( ha now u hate it) but seryously its a great game , but not THAT great , but judging by people’s recent comportament in the last months , their opinion is pretty much inexistent also ( the sarcastic example you provided is a good one too)

  • Dirkster_Dude

    Nothing wrong with Fallout 4 graphics. People may consider the removal of the shadows a downgrade but it is just as appealing with the art direction and layout of the plants used. This is a game that will never be in the realm of realism like Tomb Raider or Uncharted seems to go for so the removed shadows while improving performance didn’t necessarily add anything when they were there.

    • Mygaffer

      The shadows didn’t add anything? Are you joking? Having a giggle? The shadows added a lot, lighting is what makes supposed “next gen” games next gen.

      Removing the shadows is a joke, especially on PC.

      • Dirkster_Dude

        Didn’t notice or care about it. It didn’t do anything for me. If they can improve performance in a specific section of the game by removing the shadows which I don’t care about then more performance to them.

  • DaireConstantineOReilly

    That’s stupid

  • Carl André Naess

    No no… this is wrong. I know that Corvega and other areas had bad stuttering, but not enough to break the game. Never heard players really complain enough to make such big changes to how visuals are.

    Plays on PS4*

  • Les Kwan

    Did they fix the Cryolator Glitch? I can’t seem to get the Gun through the case Via Dogmeat.

    • Carl André Naess

      Did you clean the nearby area of any clutter (trash items)? Usually that does the trick.

      • Les Kwan

        Entire Room is Cleaned out. Dog has bobby pins ETC. Tried to sit him in the room there. Fetch Item, Fetch Container, Fetch directly. None =.

    • Mygaffer

      Yes, they fixed it.

  • LordKabal26

    Really dumb how they fuck things up for PC users just to cater to the consoles. IF there’s an issue with shadows rather than remove shadows on PC you should just do it to consoles. That said, when we get GECK the modders will put the shadows back to their rightful place in the assembly plant because modders fix bethesda games when bethesda fails to do so (just look at the unofficial patches for skyrim)

    • DaireConstantineOReilly

      It’s not very Fair to PC Gamers, I’m really annoyed by this, I dint get PC for this crap. Only hopes is Modders will fix it, WHEN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT ALONE ON PC.

    • scorchy

      Its probably due to the poor optimization of the shadows in the game as it relies only on one core of your CPU so it doesn’t take full advantage of a muti core CPU. So instead of remedying this issue( like a modder did from nexus mods) they said “fuck it just remove it”. So its not much of “catering to consoles” it’s more of not wanting to deal with significant problem and just taking the easy way out.

    • cosmicrays

      Scorchy hit it on nail. But any who, not only that but every thing about Fallout 4 needs optimization work on the pc. The textures, lighting, and shadowing needs to be optimized. I had to download a mod that optimized textures that gave me an easy 10+ jump in frame rate. like really wtf Bethesda?

  • xfatalxzero

    Im sure it was downgraded to give a stable gameplay across all platforms so that the next patch they should release a fix for the real problem

  • hvd hvd

    the visuals were fine on pc on my 4 year old card the gtx 660 sc i was 1080p/60fps at high settings.why the downgrade on pc?

    • Lambadelta

      because Sony and Microsoft would get angry otherwise which is sad really. developers are their puppets these days basically.

      • hvd hvd

        probably true..lol

  • Darkmac79

    The PC Version WILL have better textures cause someone will make them case in point look up the new texture pack for new Vegas. I have the game on PC and I’m not complaining cause I know it will only get better. You console owners are only gonna get Bethesda’s hand picked mods.

    • ThePokeMaster

      Sure it will.
      But while you wait for high res texture mods to be released, other gamers, including console gamers, will have moved on to other games and the only other people who will care are those within the circlejerk.

      That was quite an necessary remark towards console gamers.

      The article mostly addresses shadows, not textures.

      • ComradeHX

        Actually, Skyrim is still being played because modders added so much content.

        Not just better textures, but new items(weapons, clothing…etc.), new quests, new start, removal of loadingscreen from entering cities, new gameplay mechanic, new areas, even new worlds(such as Morrowind and Oblivion in Skyrim)…

        Fallout 4, due to using same engine, can have many things ported over.

        Maybe only console gamers will move onto other games; because they don’t get great mods in console versions.

        • Darkmac79

          Which was the point I was trying to make which was if your complaining about bad graphics and blah blah,someone will take up Bethesda’s slack and make it a better game with the mods on PC.Nothing against console gamers at all If all the people complaining take time to see how much work goes in making a game these days and the money it takes.

          • Space Ghost

            Well the only mods i would be interested in are adult mods lol too bad those wont leave the nexus.

        • ThePokeMaster

          “Maybe only console gamers will move onto other games because they don’t get mods”
          Kinda proved how pointless comments like the OP’s are.

          Anyway, I’m well aware of Skyrim’s mods. I came back to it after a while because by that time, the number of mods and quality of them had changed the whole landscape of the game. It was almost a brand new experience. Fallout 4 ain’t there yet. The game didn’t quite grab me like Skyrim, but I’ll probably come back to it in about a year.

      • cosmicrays

        High res texture mods are already coming out.

        • ThePokeMaster

          And I’m already done with the game.
          It didn’t quite hook me like Skyrim, but I’ll probably come back to it in about a year once the game gets more and better mods. It’s what I did with Skyrim.

          • cosmicrays

            I hear you on that. My motivation has completely stopped as well.

    • Orionsangel

      Wow your way of gaming is so superior to ours! No one ever was impressed! Because if you’re a real gamer. You’re on Steam, PS4 and Xbox One.

      • ComradeHX

        Real gamer?

        Who gave you the right to decide who is real gamer?

        Does a real gamer bend over and let M$ and $ony fuck his wallet just to play online? Does a real gamer pay extra money for inferior version of games? Does a real gamer vote with his wallet for developers to make more dumbed-down games? Those are all what buying PS4/Xbone meant.

        • Space Ghost

          Thing is, there are now more console players than PC players. The industry run by corps. Corps will always rule in favor of the corps, not the consumer yet the consumer still buys product from its corp overlord.

        • Rob

          How’s batman?

          • Vampire Hunter D

            That’s your only reply? Really? “How’s Batman?”?

            How’s The Witcher 3? With inferior graphics, unstable framerate that goes below 20 FPS and no modding? With more bugs and glitches than the PC version?

            Go pay Sony or M$ to play online with your unstable 30 fps games, little peasant 😉

          • Rob

            How’s halo? How’s gear of war? How’s crack down? How’s uncharted? How’s destiny? How’s red dead redemption? Witcher 3 blows dick anyways so I don’t care. Also I own a PC you are just blind by thinking that PC is the only way to play and its not… With the services I pay for with Microsoft and Sony I get no cheating little douche bags ruining my game ie arma 2… I Also have the added security knowing that the game I buy for my Xbox or ps4 will work when I get home not always true with PC… Oh and I get way less of that “early access” alpha/beta bullshit. Don’t get me wrong I love my PC but trust me I don’t walk around like my shit don’t stink. We have to face facts and facts are PC gamers are a minority…

          • s4ndm4n2006

            I agree with your intent of your reply in saying that there are reasons for playing on consoles but… I must ask “what are you on about?” adding your bs about “anti cheating” point, your point about “security in knowing…” seriously? That implies that console games are bug free and never broken when they are launched, which is far from the truth. I have a ps4 also and am not a pc elitist by any stretch of the imagination but come on, come up with some better points to defend your position.

          • Rob

            Simple as this on ps4 and Xboxone if I play a multiplayer game I don’t have to worry about hacking. While I know glitch exploiting is still there I’d rather deal with just glitches than hacking AND glitches…
            The security in knowing is more the fact that if I buy a game for xboxone or ps4 it will boot up and I can play it whether it is a buggy mess or not doesn’t matter… An example is that my brother and I have Fallout New Vegas on PC we have near identical hardware and specs yet my computer will not launch the game no matter what I do and his will. On console I do not have that problem.

          • ThePokeMaster

            How’s the begging and waiting for console ports, peasant?

            See, we can go back and forth.

            If everyone cared about mods, then we’d all get games on PC.
            And last I checked, Witcher 3 was patched and I haven’t heard people complain about it on consoles since. All I’ve heard from people is how great and immersive the game is, regardless of the lower graphical capabilities of consoles.

          • ComradeHX

            Better than on consoles so far.

        • s4ndm4n2006

          I disagree, although you point out he has no right to decide who is a real gamer, you stoop to the same level by trashing console gamers and imply that they are NOT real gamers.

        • ThePokeMaster

          “Who gave you the right to decide who is real gamer?”

          You just did, you hypocrite.

      • s4ndm4n2006

        real gamer = plays games. one or more platform. does it really mean anything to have all of them?

    • s4ndm4n2006

      I don’t understand the reason to trash console gamers here. o.o What is your point other than trolling, honestly?

  • Trim Dose

    Freaking awesome I didn’t buy Fallout 4, instead I got the Witcher III, it looks and plays freaking awesome!

    • Kris Crawford

      I played that earlier in the year and completed it. witcher 3 is a great game. it had problems when it was first out. Im surprised fallout 4 which Ive got but havent got to yet has got problems with downgrading when grom what I have seen and heard that the graphics arent the best to begin with. That doesnt mean its a bad game, I know graphics are only a snall part of a good game

    • DaireConstantineOReilly

      Don’t get, are u glad u got a more competent product with good graphics than fallout 4 old graphics

      • Space Ghost

        Man when 4k textures come out youll be amazed how much better F4 graphics turn out to be than W3.

    • Space Ghost

      This is the two biggest differences between those games. Witcher is well polished, very well made game and fun game, that can end. Fallout 4, verry addicting, over whelming, buggy, fun dynamic without an end. F4 i would rather because even though i have witcher 3 and just played it, i cant help but feel the want to go to F4 for it has more to offer content/discovery wise. Witcher for story, F4 for content & 3x the replayability than witcher 3. Witcher 3 is a great game dont get me wrong but after you beat it once with all quests completed, thats it for a little bit. With Fallout, you do a playthrough that never ends and plus you can build your own little empire on the map like thats pretty cool.. With witcher they should have let the players keep playing with things to do in the end instead of NG+ for the same story with a bigger difficulty curve. And in F4 the weapons look different, and are diverse, in witcher they all look the same just different colors depending on runes also, if you can go beyond a certain ammount of sign intensity, the skills should LOOK stronger if theyre at 120%+ sign intestity. Aard should be a damn tornado at that intensity. They should have let players combine signs like Aard + igni = fire tornado or something wicked. Axii should be able to control a whole squad of enemies. Yarden should make a symbol on the group with mutliple zaps of its lightning. Quen shield should grow in opacity and color to resemble its strength, Take oblivion mage tower for example that let players craft spells and make them as big and as powerful as they wanted them to be at the cost of millions of mana that you dont even have but its the fact that you can grow that strong to be able to use that spell. its the free will in bethesda games that make it what theyre. Witcher 3 is one hell of a game tho. 10/10 no doubt. Fallout 4 9/10 was deserved. The last rate could be earned if they add more RPG elements to the game in DLC.

      • Abdul Basir Muhammad

        The fallout quest are boring only real fun comes from toling your own way. The witcher had an amazing story. The Bloody Baron quest was one of the most memorable ive ever played in gaming.

        • Space Ghost

          i agree that quest was the shit and the game music is very well done.

      • s4ndm4n2006

        well said, and I agree. sometimes I do like the type of story W3 offers but much of the time I like to explore, discover etc.
        Also.. the fact that in W3 you play Geralt and in FO4 it’s more personal, it’s YOUR character, that to me, (again this is my opinion only and preference) that makes it feel more rpg.

    • A guy

      Wow, fanboy much?

      • halsn

        the witcher 3 is just a better game in general.
        Bethesda fanboy much?

        • reallydude?

          So just because he points out somebody’s fanboyism automatically makes him a fanboy of the other game? #logic

          • halsn

            defending fallout…
            instantly cuck

          • reallydude?

            In what way was he defending fallout?

          • TeLin特林

            By not immediately shitting on it. Obviously.

            You aren’t allowed to sit at the cool kids’ table if you enjoy a slew of different game.

            You get to sit with the adults.

          • s4ndm4n2006

            see my reply to reallydude

          • s4ndm4n2006

            gamer = has opinion on which game they like better.
            Fanboy = has opinion and everyone else is an idiot to think otherwise.

        • Rob Haskins

          even if it is, why cant you enjoy both? they didn’t come out on the same day or anything. You guys are dumb.

        • s4ndm4n2006

          subjective reply much? I played both. I like FO4 better, in general.

        • A guy

          I liked Fo4 more than Witcher.
          Witcher shill much? LOL pathetic man, pathetic

    • Vampire Hunter D

      And since I have Fallout 4, The Witcher 3 and Metal Gear Solid V, I’m not insecure to the point of defending my purchase decision whilst attacking others.

      • -El_Greeko-

        I have all of those (and I think that Fallout 4 is the one I’ve spent the most time in, not sure though) but I still “defend” Witcher 3 over Fallout 4 when someone’s saying how bad W3 is and how much better FO4 is.

        • Vampire Hunter D

          In my opinion, both games have their own flaws, while The Witcher 3 has better graphics and story, Fallout 4 has better game-play and replay-ability, in the end, both deserve the title of Triple A Game and a worthy purchase recommendation.

          Saying something like “Freaking awesome I didn’t buy Fallout 4, instead I got the Witcher III, it looks and plays freaking awesome!” is just childish, variety is the spice of life, and you’re only going to become a better and more experienced human being by trying different flavors.

          • -El_Greeko-

            I know, but I was responding to the “I’m not insecure to the point of defending my purchase decision whilst attacking others” argument.

            What he say it fucking ridiculous. Both games are amazing and you shouldn’t feel like you have to take sides. Yes, sometimes Game A will be better than Game B, but that doesn’t mean that Game B is a bad game… You should experience both of them and draw your own conclusions.

            Fanboyism only helps the companies that sell the product. Trying to go out of your way to tell people how much you like said product because it’s made by Bethesda/Sony/Microsoft/Whatever is ridiculous. And it doesn’t help people who are genuinely trying to find info about the product so they make a decision on whether to buy it or not. Everyone should point out the flaws and the strengths of say products.

        • s4ndm4n2006

          and as a non fanboy, but lover of Bethesda’s games generally I can honestly say Witcher 3 is far from a bad game at all, but I prefer Fallout 4. It’s ok that W3 looks prettier and does some other things better than Fallout 4, but I still prefer it 🙂

      • s4ndm4n2006

        indeed why attack someone else’s choice of favorite game? Each of the games should be commended on being as entertaining to so many as they are. But that being said not everyone is going to have individual preferences for what they like and why.

    • Rob Haskins

      witcher 3 came out months ago. Sorry you can’t afford more games.

  • HAppY_KrAToS

    Almost 2016…
    Many PC guys have 6 and 8 core cpus, 16-32 gb of ram, and huge sli setups, and despite that power 10-20 bigger than a ps4, graphics only look ‘slightly’ better, because of the increased resolution and better shaders/textures quality. But it’s still the same low-res compressed textures mess.
    shouldn’t à game like fallout 4 be running with photorealistic life-like visuals, with all the ‘quality sliders” set to ‘above’ maximum, with perfect visuals, even if the computer could only run it at 10fps. .. 10 fps today, but 20 or 30 in one year, and maybe 50-70fps in 1.5 years…. ?

    In about 3 years, computers will be +10-20 times more powerful than today’s best rigs, yet, a game like fallout 4 will then still look as bad as today, INSTEAD of looking much much better, due to the much more powerful hardware.

    Why the fck can’t Bethesda, CD project, etc, release a photorealistic version of their games, even if they will only run at 5-10fps TODAY?

    Are these PC games poorly coded, with little to none optimization (like, ‘why bother with the ram… the gamer has 16gb. . No problem.. no need to save resources, like with consoles’…?
    Are these game engines a true joke, like last year assassin creed, that could max out a powerful computer, at 900p. .. come on… seriously?

    • DLConspiracy//

      Poorly coded. For whatever reason PC always gets the after thought. Although if you think about the sheer amount of GPU cpu and ram combos it’s next to impossible to make them perfect on all. The time and money to do so is quite expensive. I’ve also experienced severe frame drops at the police station when all the ghouls attack.

    • Mirimon

      Actually, the majoriry of pc gamers don’t even have enough hardware to support occulus. According to live stats from steam for example, the average pc gamer doesn’t use a gfx card worth more than 300 bucks….. not anything at all like those sli rigs (which I have)…. power pc users are a very small fraction of the pc gaming population.

      • hvd hvd

        dude i have an old gtx 660 sc and was getting 1080p/60fps on high with a 4 year old card.why the down grade on pc?

        • Mirimon

          Tell me about it, I got a cute starter rig for a nephew using older parts, plays elite dangerous just fine on 8 gigs and gtx460….

          Alas, pcculus demands much more, and that will instantly killoff the vr market before it launches…

      • ComradeHX

        Steam still insists that my desktop PC’s gpu is intel hd4600 even though I got much better discrete gpu.

        So you are wrong; Steam survey results are flawed.

        Don’t need sli to have good gaming PC.
        Not that sli even works on many games…

        • cosmicrays

          Still saying I have an HD6770. Got a way better card now for almost a year!

        • Mirimon

          Nope, you are using integrated, you haven’t fully installed nor registered any graphics card.

      • -El_Greeko-

        “power pc users are a very small fraction of the pc gaming population.”

        Not true at all. Don’t forget that PC has a shit-ton of players. And it is a lot more accessible than console gaming, meaning that everyone that has a shitty PC with Steam on it will automatically enter those stats that Steam makes every year or so…

        A lot of people on PC have powerful PCs. I’m sure that there’s more PC users with powerful PCs than people who own a PS4 (just giving an example, not trying to entice a flame-war).

        Unless when you’re talking about “power pc users” you mean people with the top tier specs… Mid to high range PCs enter the “powerful PCs” category in my books.

        • Mirimon

          No, its true… would you agree that any pc gamer at all likely uses steam? Steam has current stats of what hardware users are actually using.

          Also… just because it is a shitty pc makes the user any less a gamer? steam stats are steam stats… can’t be selective. People use integrated graphics more than cards, more people have a 300 or less card than 300+.. go ahead, look them up yourself and prepare to be amazed!

          Sure, we would like it if everybody played on rigs as good as our own…but that isn’t practicak nor requisite to have fun playing games. We, power pc and serious gamers are in fact the minority, nd those stats are current, not annual releases.

    • ThePokeMaster

      “Many” but not most, believe it or not.

      Anyway, yeah I agree. Bethesda needs to get their sh*t together. A lot of the mods I had for Skyrim were “fixes”.

    • Dave C

      Parity. Thank MS and Xbone. They have a marketing deal with MS for xbone and don’t want any other versions to look better right away. So Bethesda makes for xbone then ports to other platforms with no changes. If they didn’t do this the PS4 would look a little better than xbone and PC would of course be much superior to consoles.

      • HAppY_KrAToS

        Exactly!

        There is no reason for the PC version to have those ugly ground textures, blurred graphics, awful texture filtering, etc etc.

        Now that you say it, the only reason why it looks so bad, is because they must have prototyped the game first on the weakest system, and once they got the xbone running the around 30fps, they have based the whole game, content, engine, etc, on the x1, and have used the same assets to make the ps4 and PC version.

        Bethesda could have made fallout 4 with, at least, gta5 quality. They could have released, at least, an hd pack with perfect 2016-like textures, or better, ultra high-def textures, and even if only a few lucky PC gamers could be able to run fallout 4 with those photo realistic graphics, at only 5 fps, it would be a great incentive to upgrade the hardware, the next 2 years, until they finally can run the game at 30-50 fps.

        Also, with at least 50% more power (many games on ps4 use the same as 2.2 or 1.6 Xbox one, when the game runs at 1080p instead of 720p or 900p), the ps4 version could have looked 50% better than the x1.

        But no. Even on PC, I imagine the despair, of all those guys who have ultra powerful rigs to play games at 4k, and must play fallout 4 with 80% of the textures looking worse than a 1998-2000 half-life game.

        I am curious to see , when the official mod editor gets released, for PC, how fallout 4 PC will look like, when modders start releasing some fantastic textures packs.

        Damn Microsoft and their parity shit.

        I only hope bioware won’t accept those pay checks from microsoft: I want the next mass effect Andromeda to fully use the ps4 power, instead of being another victim of the parity crap, like fallout 4 and the latest ubisoft games.

    • Darkmac79

      Because developers are trying to make a game that makes money and runs on as money systems as possible, not a tech demo. When do you think a game sells the most? At Launch so they have to make it run on today’s machines and graphics. Too make my last point, no fallout 4 will look way better in 3 years on PC. Have you seen new Vegas and the new GTA 5 mods out. Sure newer games will be out but these mods are the reason I play games on PC now.

  • Abdul Basir Muhammad

    I think cd project red needs to teach these shitty devs how to make a game

    • AstroCyborg

      yeah because cd releasing a broken game is such a good thing & giving ppl free dlc that don’t work is such a good thing not to mention witcher isn’t open world & the clunky & boring combat in the witcher

      • kevin

        The witcher 3 isnt open world lol that has to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen someone say. I love fallout 4 but the Witcher 3 world is way bigger then fallout 4 and yes is open world not to mention Witcher 3 has way more quest not counting the infinitely spawning junk fetch quest in fallout 4. The Witcher 3 had problems at launch but they were nowhere near has bad has fallout 4 and stating otherwise is just being a fanboy.

        • Kris Crawford

          Next we will be hearing how pacman is a moba, pong is a fps and space invaders is a jrpg. Lol. You would have to be retarded to say witcher 3 isnt open world. Well said

      • DLConspiracy//

        Can’t both games be good? They both had their issues at launch btw. Not sure why you think the Witcher 3 isn’t open world either.

        • Abdul Basir Muhammad

          I encountered no real problems with the w3 but fallout ive had some big probs from several corrupted saves to getting stuck in the scenery, glitching quest, ncp,followers,lots of popin. I like the game but fck this sht takes away from the enjoyment. I can deal with graphics but not shit that affects gameplay

      • Leeboyopm

        You obviously didn’t play witcher 3 because if You did You would now 1 it is open world and 2 2 of the 3 open worlds in witcher 3 are both alot bigger than the 1 world in fallout 4, i love fallout 4 but im not fanboy blind and stupidly thick to think its better than witcher 3, graphics, lighting, textures, pp, writing, acting, story, lenth, location, every thing is done better on witcher 3,

        • TeLin特林

          I won’t say Witcher 3 isn’t open world….but it doesn’t have the amount of interactive “stuff” in them as Bethesda’s game. Not saying it’s a good or bad thing, but they are both different beasts and tackle their open worlds differently.

          The story is totally handled better in Witcher 3 though. Arguably better graphics…but there is a reason for that.

          And what do you mean by a better “location” ??

          • Alex York

            Really? Not enough amount of interactivity in witcher compared to fallout? Are you dense? Game is much bigger than fallout.

          • TeLin特林

            ….your character(s) don’t interact with the stuffitemsetc in the world. You don’t build §hit or move items around in the Witcher….and I even made sure to say this isn’t a bad thing to prevent fanboys like you from having a dam stroke.

            I didn’t say fallout was bigger, land wise. I didn’t bring up story elements If you took your fanboy glasses off you’d be able to see the positives to both games. But hey, if you think Fallout is complete §hit…then there’s no sense in having a discussion.

            Would be about as useless as talking to a console fanboy.

            Did you even read my whole comment?

          • Space Ghost

            You call lighting candles and campfires with igni interactivity…..? Looting crates of stuff in front of people even in their homes and they do nothing or say nothing about it? Witcher senses is eagle eye from assassins creed Its nothing special..Fallout 4 has things to do in it. Witcher has quests and thats it. Big big difference in terms of entertainment. The witcher contracts are cool and all but you fight the same monsters most of the time just higher level and the repetitiveness is a kill joy. And examining clues is not that interactive, being able to partially live in a game is.

        • Daniel Johnson

          the lenth is sooo good in witcher 3. i’m so lucky because TW3 came free with my video card! most really good games come free when you purchase a desktop component, right?

        • xfatalxzero

          Yeah but the Witcher 3 also has shitty frames on consoles

          • Space Ghost

            Maybe for xbox 1 the weaker console. I have had 0 frame issues on W3 on Ps4. Absolutely fluid.

          • kenneth loiz

            No no. There is frame issues on witches 3

          • Space Ghost

            Not for me 😉 so far atleast and im almost done with the game. F4 fps drops are retarded strong though.

        • tyson

          Lol the world is big in the Witcher but it’s just trees rocks and water there is no depth to the world at all. In terms of size yeah the map is bigger but fallout overall is twice the size if not more then the Witcher

        • kenneth loiz

          Expect for replayability

      • Leeboyopm

        And on harder diffulcuty the combat on witcher 3 is incredible, stop being such a pussy and playing on easy.

        • Space Ghost

          Dodge. roll. roll. roll. dodge. dodge. dodge. dodge. attack. dodge. dodge. dodge. attack. attack. dodge dodge dodge roll. aard. attack attack attack. dodge. dodge dodge. dodge. quen. attack . dodge. attack. I have a better time doing that in dark souls imo.

          • barney klingenberg

            ne need to dodge that much when you have quen

      • -El_Greeko-

        Yes, because Witcher 3 was broken on release and Fallout 4 works perfectly…

        • s4ndm4n2006

          that reply doesn’t even make sense, since no one said that o.o

          • -El_Greeko-

            “yeah because cd releasing a broken game is such a good thing & giving ppl free dlc that don’t work is such a good thing not to mention witcher isn’t open world & the clunky & boring combat in the witcher”

            This is what I’m replying to. It makes perfect sense as a reply. Witcher 3 wasn’t broken and FO4 isn’t a perfect game. They both have/had their shares of problems. Personally, I’ve had a lot more problems with FO4 than I had with TW3.
            That idiot was saying TW3 was broken on release while somehow trying to defend Fallout 4’s state. Fallout 4 also has a lot of problems… Both games are far from perfect…

          • s4ndm4n2006

            Well that all being elaborated on, I agree. Both had bugs and issues on release and I personally take no sides, I think it’s silly to have a debate as to which game “wins” whether about brokenness or other. I’ve had issues with both but can respect that both titles also are pretty amazing.

      • sublimetalmsg

        everything you just said is not true. Game had problems but you did not play it apparently

      • cosmicrays

        Let me start off by saying that I loved all of the fallout games starting off with the originals that were top down games. Same is said for all of the Elder Scrolls Games. I’ve also been a huge fan of all of the Witcher games and even read the books about Geralt of Riva, and without a doubt CD Projeckt Red did a better job in their *RPG* than Bethesda with their *Light RPG*. TW3 was no were near broken when it first came out, yes, it had it’s issues just like any other open world game but not broken. Broken would be the last batman game on pc, that game was just broken.

        TW3 has four maps in total and two of those four maps are larger than the single map in Fallout 4, and totally open world. Yes, the maps are not interconnected and need to fast travel to them but there was four of them with two larger than Fallout 4 not combined together! Not only that, but you didn’t have to suffer any loading screens within a given map. Lets say you want to go into a city, you walk right in, without a loading screen. The same can be said for any building within a map as well.

        Why are you attacking free DLC? that is just insane, and yes all of it worked without a hitch. The combat is the biggest improvement over the entire Witcher trilogy and anything far from clunky and boring. While I inderstand not every one enjoys the combat system in the Witcher 3, it is without a doubt one of the best examples of improvement and offers a dynamic, thrilling, and rewarding experience. It may feel clunky, but that is only because CD Project Red did something most company’s don’t, and that is giving weight to their character. You can feel that Geralt has weight, from how he move, how he dodges, and through the amount of time it takes him to swing his sword. That is realistic (for a fantasy game, cosmicrays what the f$$$ you talking about? lol). How is it boring even on medium difficulty the game has challenging aspect to it, until you reach level 25ish than it becomes easy, but play it on death march and see if it is boring. Because I assure you, it is a dynamic gem that will drive you crazy (in a good way).

        • cosmicrays

          Also would like to point out that The Witcher 3 is most likely goingto get rpg of the year if not game of the year. Either that or Bloodborne, but my vote goes towards TW3.

    • lulzprime

      Ah, classic user of eating shit like the herd.

      Witcher 3 had numerous performance issues on all platforms on launch too, despite the downgrade from its reveal (or vertical slice rather).

      • Abdul Basir Muhammad

        On ps4 and pc i encountered no real problems. Most of the friends i have got it for ps4 and no major issues on our day one w3 copies.

      • -El_Greeko-

        But there’s a big difference. I didn’t really hear anywhere that TW3 was broken. The only problem I saw was the performance on the consoles, and some side-missions being for some people. While Witcher 3 did have some problems on launch, the game looked better and has a lot more stuff going on at once (by that I mean more objects and such). You could go from the open-world to Novigrad (and any other city) seamlessly, meaning that the game didn’t “forget” the previous zone you were in. Fallout 4 dumps any info (polygons, position of dynamic meshes, etc) it has from the previous zone and loads in the zone you’re entering. This gives you a lot more freedom as a developer, since your poly/triangle budget gets resets because you don’t have the open-world to render inside Diamond City (for example).

        Witcher 3’s performance was improved without a need for a graphical downgrade. Not only that but the game looks better than Fallout 4.

        • Rioplats

          The difference is that Witcher 3 got the graphical downgrade before launch. It caused some controversy, but things calmed down. In this case, Bethesda did it after launch. Yet to see whether it will cause as big a fuss; no one expects the best from them in terms of graphics anyway.
          Witcher 3 had a lot going on, yes, but Fallout 4 has a lot more persistence going on within each cell, or zone as you call it. It means that items you drop stay there, as they are reloaded when you next enter; and each item is given its own record and model, rather than a bag of “items”. This demands much more processing than the system which Witcher 3 has going, so Witcher 3 can add “more things”.
          But my biggest concern is that Fallout 4 isn’t broken. Not really, anyway. I’ve CTDed once in 160 hours, rarely more than a few graphical glitches. I’ve had more problems and bugs with Witcher 3. People should stop getting on the bandwagon and say it’s broken if they haven’t experienced it for themselves. They might be pleasantly surprised 🙂
          I think overall, people should stop quoting that W3 had better graphics or larger world; that’s the way the engine, and use of the engine, has dictated. You can blame Bethesda for that, but I’d prefer this to a shallow experience.

    • DarthDiggler

      @abdulbasirmuhammad:disqus

      Mmmm I think you have it backwards. 🙂 Witcher 3 was a good game, but the mechanics were wooden, voice acting was pretty phoned in and I don’t think anyone ever made an expression in the game.

      • -El_Greeko-

        Have you even fucking played The Witcher 3? The voice acting is pretty good (but not amazing), and there are clear expressions on their faces. The facial expressions in Fallout 4 are completely rubbish… And the voice acting is pretty mediocre (with some of the actors doing a better job than the others).

        Not only that, but you didn’t make your case.

        This article talks about performance and how Bethesda has to make a graphical downgrade on a “shitty looking” game (compared to recent games, FO4 looks bad) in order to improve the performance, WHICH IS 30FPS! So what the fuck does voice acting and facial expressions have to do with that? For fuck sake man, please…

        • justerthought

          I agree, the voice acting and animations in The Witcher 3 where excellent, but the voice acting in Fallout 4 is pretty good as well. The only reason Fallout 4 has stiffer animations and expressions is because Fallout 4 has far more of them all united in a complex living breathing world. The Witcher 3 was linear canned dialogue while Fallout 4 is more freeform with dialog relating to the path you have chosen.

          Fallout 4 looks crap on Youtube but the game looks great when you play it. Forget all the criticisms of Fallout 4, it runs far smoother than The Witcher 3 and is a more complex game with total freedom to play it how you want. Both are top notch games but Fallout 4 is better. Read my other comment above.

          • Space Ghost

            F4 would be even better had they not taken out the karma system. I hope they bring it back. 🙁

        • s4ndm4n2006

          Witcher 3 is an excellent game, I must admit and I played it a bit. But to be honest, it didn’t keep my attention for even a fraction of the time, Fallout has. I can’t say exactly why. it’s beautiful. The story is interesting and good, the voices are wonderful. All of those things are indeed top notch. somehow I found myself moving on after about 10 hours whereas I’m over 280 hours into fallout 4 and a second playthrough on a harder difficulty. hard to say why but all I can say is, to each their own.
          But it is NOT all about better graphics, voices or even animation.

    • TreeTopKanggaroo

      Hey now, Bethesda ain’t shitty… just lazy…

    • Mac Gruber

      ahh no thanks! Not a fan of them. Nor did I think TW3 was all that impressive technically or as a game aside from the stellar audio. Not the biggest fan of Bethesda either, I mean I’d rather Obsidian +Chris Avellone did the bulk of the work with Fallout but that’s just a crazy pipe dream.

    • justerthought

      That’s a bit strong and unfair if I’m honest. The Witcher 3 was great game and the devs did a great job, but I eventually had to stop playing the game towards the end because the frame rate fell through the floor after the latest update. Whether is was the update or the latter quests pushing too hard, who knows. That was a real shame.

      Regarding Bethesda, I rated Skyrim as the best game ever made until The Last Of Us came out, but fell out with Bethesda over the dreadful Elder Scrolls saga. I never liked the Fallout series because of the monotone colour palette and lame shooting mechanic, but Fallout 4 is excellent. It’s full of colour, the shooting is great and the game is on par with the awesome Skyrim and it sports far more detail. The extensive base building allows you to be creative similar to the Far Cry 4 map editor. You really do feel like a survivor rebuilding civilisation. Bethesda did a marvellous job.

      Although the Witcher 3 was a totally different type of game, I would definitely rate Fallout 4 higher which surprised me. That makes me think you have never played The Witcher 3 or Fallout 4 to come out with a comment like that.