Naughty Dog Programmers Talk About DirectX API And Optimization For PS4

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Naughty Dog have proved their talent in the gaming industry with the work they have done. Their game engines are usually state-of-the-art and most of their games are usually “coded to the metal”. Recently, a couple of Naughty Dog developers had something new to share regarding optimization techniques on the PS4 and DirectX API.

Christian Gyrling, who is the lead programmer at Naughty Dog, talked about optimizing for PS4 API and how low level access to the hardware is better.

Low-level access to the GPU really makes you understand why using DirectX is slow and why it is really just in your way.

Being able to unmap/remap memory pages from its virtual address space while maintaining its contents is absolutely amazingly useful.

Cort Stratton, Sony’s ICE Team member and programmer at Naughty Dog, was also asked to comment on the recent DirectX 12 session held at GDC and about the statements that were made at that conference calling it “Biggest leap in technology”. Stratton had quite an interesting response to this question.

I was in that room : ) That session was pure marketing hyperbole. Later DX12 sessions at GDC were more realistic/interesting IMHO.

And but so yeah, these GDC sessions are exactly what I had in mind when I wrote the tweets I linked you to earlier.

The tweets that he is referring to is what he earlier said regarding DirectX 12 API, when it was originally unveiled. He agreed that new SDKs do improve performance significantly but he can’t say anything about DirectX 12 since it was not his area of expertise.

Microsoft is trying their best to push DirectX 12 as increasing the performance for software development on the Xbox One. This is somewhat echoed by some other developers as well. According to Slightly Mad Studios’ Ian Bell, who are currently developing Project CARS for Xbox One and PC, the move to DirectX 12 can result in a possible 30% performance boost under certain circumstances.

We’re hearing that up to a 30% performance increase is possible under certain circumstances.

Xbox One should support it, as will PC. It will make the Xbox faster and it’s something worth caring about.

DirectX 12 will be released for the Xbox One and PC next year. Maybe once it is out, we will have a better picture of the performance improvements it can bring to the table.

What do you have to say about this article? Let us know in the comments below.

Khurram Imtiaz

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  • TheInfamous Stephenson

    “We’re hearing that up to a 30% performance increase is possible under certain circumstances.”

    Okay, I have a few questions:

    1.Hearing from whom?..Microsoft?..

    2.What are these “certain circumstances” and how often do they exist?

    3.When it comes to performance increase what is the actual norm (special circumstances withholding) 10%?…15%?…

  • Canadian FuBaR

    Okay here it goes on Xbox One……………………..Which I owned and sold for a PS4!
    You can Streamline my bowels and make make my turds come out 30% faster but it is still a turd that comes out. All the driver trickery will only increase the Xbox One Turd by a small percentage and in only a few games. Then PS4 will also do the same with the ICE team but the hardware in the PS4 is more advance so the increases will be more significant. Sorry Xbox One Turd fan boys the hardware is what it is, MS Took the TV watching High road instead of the Gaming Highway like they should have. Like MS says” All in One Entertainment System” Not Gaming System!!!
    Now excuse me while I piss out ICE in High Def with all the Streams Sony gave me….Yep feels cool and fast!

  • Filipus

    I was the guy that asked him about the DirectX thing, so let me just explain the context. He was actually quite nice to explain it, and his opinion is fair. There were 2 conferences, the main one (where they made all their claims) and a latter one with Dan Baker. Dan Baker has been working with DX12 but that doesn’t mean that he knows everything. When asked about DX12 vs Mantle in terms of performance in his game he said they were the same (which is a giant step forward, really. His game is a beast.)

    This is all he heard, and if someone says it’s the same obviously you are going to take a step back and evaluate your opinion.

    So, TLDR, the guy gave his opinion on something that he really never worked with and said what he said because of what he heard.

  • Dirkster_Dude

    Who cares about the competition crap? Anything that improves performance on a PC, PS4, or XB1 is a benefit to the consumer. Doesn’t matter who makes it or for whom it is made.

    • GodGamerDerp

      MS is blowing PR smoke up fanboy’s asses and he called it what it was.,

      • Dirkster_Dude

        You are entitled to your opinion. I will use common sense and not agree with it.

        • GodGamerDerp

          DX12 will mainly benefit CPU bound PC games like Brad Wardell’s Starswarm demo, or any game that has above average CPU demands. Except most console games aren’t CPU bound in terms of the GPU rendering graphics.

          Wardell’s Star Swarm tech demo is very CPU bound. DX12 and Mantle and Nvidia’s new drivers mainly reduce the load on the CPU, so he saw a big performance boost with his tech demo because the GPU was no longer as bottlenecked.

          The problem is most games aren’t anywhere near as CPU intensive as his tech demo and won’t see anywhere near 2x graphics performance.

          Same story with Mantle and DX12 on PCs. Unless the CPU is bottlenecking the GPU, you won’t see much improvement at all in graphics performance.

          PS4 and Xbox One CPUs are nearly identical hardware. Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

          • Dirkster_Dude

            Your statements on the “PS4 simply having more powerful hardware” indicate you’re close minded and unwilling to learn new things which means in this situation you probably don’t know what you’re talking about. Unless of course you can see the future and know all possible avenues it might take?

      • Edwin

        Go get some pussy you unloved creature.

  • Bobby Griffin

    Don’t comment on something you don’t know about

    • GodGamerDerp

      LOL. Asshurt shills in denial.

      MS is blowing PR smoke up fanboy’s asses and he called it what it was.

      • Bobby Griffin

        It’s only games go get a life. I have a pretty wife and great job I don’t take games that serious little boy.

        • GodGamerDerp

          LOL you fail your argument so you start whining like a child.

          • Bobby Griffin

            Call 5 5 5 – get a life

  • ineedgames

    Love how a company that doesn’t even use DX in their games are committing on how bad it is.

    • Death Dealer

      Yes, hypocrisy at its finest.

    • YOUDIEMOFO

      Love how a company that has been praised by using other means than Microlo$ts implemented DX to get better performance. More performance than Microlo$t could ever imagine and this company knows a bit more about API’s than just their own DX version.

      Everyone here seems to think they know it all about these implementations and like to call people/companies out because of their bias opinions…..

      Easy to say that the truth will reveal itself next year. And what is great about that is when this new API comes out it will take quite some time to master all the while much lower level “already existing” implementations have had almost two years of development behind them.

    • YOUDIEMOFO

      Only implementation I’ll look forward of DX anything will be just that……on PC.

      If they want to take me closer to the metal on quad TITAN’s than by all means please do so.

    • GodGamerDerp

      LOL. Asshurt shills in denial. He was asked a question on twitter and answered it.

      MS is blowing PR smoke up fanboy’s asses and he called it what it was.,

  • Failz

    Not one of ND games utilize CPU core balancing. Goes to show how unprofessional some of the ND employees are. There games arent even graphic defining games. There games are linear and full of cut scenes. True graphic defining games are games like The Devision/Star Citizen and The Witcher 3. TR does what ND games do in there first attempt. Considing ND dont use DX then they shouldnt be commenting.

    • GodGamerDerp

      LOL. Asshurt shills in denial. He was asked a question on twitter and answered it.

      MS is blowing PR smoke up fanboy’s asses and he called it what it was.

      Naughty Dog is one of the best developers in the industry.

      You are dumb, delusional, and WRONG.

  • doom guy

    Love the fanboy wars. Never short of entertainment on N4G :P

  • ImonadrugcalledCharlieSheen

    More DX12 secret sauce that will inevitably end up leaving a bad taste in every xbots mouth.

    • Failz

      DX is only a good thing.

      • Guest

        Look at the people upvoting him and have a laugh. They all have a zero post history. Man Sony fanboys must have infinite time on their hands because they have nothing to play to make dummy accounts just to upvote. Pretty pathetic and paints a big L on their foreheads.

        • You are flat out wrong

          Hey look, it’s KingBSon. Still butthurt? What a shame.

        • GodGamerDerp

          LOL it’s a conspiracy!

          Apparently PS4′s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset.

          Stay asshurt at PS4′s success. Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

  • d0x360

    So the guy says DX 12 won’t really help then says he doesn’t know much about DX.

    Now he’s correct when he says low level access to the GPU is extremely important for performance but the direct x improvement ms is talking about most are CPU optimizations not GPU. Developers already have low level access to the Xbox GPU what they don’t have is the most efficient use of CPU time which is what dx12 will give them. 30% boost in CPU performance is significant. You could use that to offload some work from the GPU or put more AI and physics based models on screen. Its important.

    • GodGamerDerp

      Not really.

      • d0x360

        Ok

      • d0x360

        OK. .

  • Guest

    The ND programmer is right. You dont need DX on consoles to get every bit of power out of them. But you do need to be able to code to the metal. DX really does just get in the way. Look the truth is that most devs really are lazy, they really do want it as easy as possible and in those terms, yes a DX like API is good, as it’ll do most of the job for you. But if you really want to get down to the nitty gritty and extract the full power out of it, then as low a level, as to the metal as possible code is what you want.

  • marc berry

    This is a Sony developer do you think that they are going to say anything good about DX12. Right!!

    • GodGamerDerp

      LOL. Asshurt shills in denial. He was asked a question on twitter and answered it.

      MS is blowing PR smoke up fanboy’s asses and he called it what it was.,

  • Midori Inaba

    I’ve always said this… You can have DirectX13 XP Ultra running on XBOX One. The fact remains: It has lacking hardware. I can update my current GPU’s driver and optimize it all I want. It’ll never beat a GTX Titan. It’s just physically impossible. DirectX12 may be a great thing… but the XOne has a limit. PS4′s just more powerful, and a PC will be waaay more powerful than either in a couple years.

    • marc berry

      That is not all true. consoles have a 2X gain on it’s PC = GPU.
      So PS4 is 1.6TF 2x puts you at about 3.2TF. that is why it’s PC devkit
      was a GTX 680 of 3.1TF.

      • GodGamerDerp

        LOL wtf

      • mariano guntin

        another stupid troll. “consoles have a 2x gain”. try harder mr. troll.

    • ElektroDragon

      You’re the only one here making any goddamn sense. Good job!

    • Death Dealer

      PC is already way more powerful now.

      • Midori Inaba

        Dreamcast

      • deathdealerisretarded

        it was never a ps4,and was always shown on a high end pc…ps4/or ps4 devs kit didn’t exist,or at the very best were at its first stages..but that was on a pc in 2012

      • GodGamerDerp

        What “PC” are you talking about?

        PS4 is more powerful than most PCs.

        • mariano guntin

          are you a troll, or just ignorant and stupid in a mixture?.

    • Mike

      “DX12 Biggest leap in technology” – Naughty Dog (Uncharted)
      “30% performance increase” – Project Cars Developer

      Xbox One: 792p + 30% = 1080p

      • sarahlovesgirthycock

        30% under certain situations,,,so hold off on that 1080p talk…. ice team is also working on its on tools/sdk improvements

      • Ilya Crols

        “DX12 Biggest leap in technology” LOL
        You clearly didn’t read the article.

  • Doomgaze

    Nobody was ever able to get blood out of a stone.

  • Somerandomperson

    didn’t he compliment on dx12? why is everyone angry?

    • DLConspiracy//

      Its sort of a mixture but why are developers who are not exactly working with dx12 even bringing it up? Specifically ones that are in direct competition with it. Not sure why they are worried unless its to spin something in a sort of negative light or take away from it. Its able to boost performance is what I got from it. I root for tech on all sides.

      • GodGamerDerp

        MS is blowing PR smoke up fanboy’s asses and he called it what it was.

  • You are flat out Wong peasant

    Why is Dx 12 a concern for naughty dog? Just like to sony fan boys all ways concerned about something they can’t have.

    • GodGamerDerp

      LOL. Asshurt shills in denial. He was asked a question on twitter and answered it.

      MS is blowing PR smoke up fanboy’s asses and he called it what it was.

  • anonymoose12

    Can someone help me understand, I thought DX was firmware and architecture that is built into the GPU.

    For instance cards that were capable of DX9.c weren’t able to upgrade to DX11.

    So what’s with DX12? Why sill exhausting xbone and PC be able to get it, I have a 780ti.

    • Daniel Lawson

      it’s basically mantle that will work with most DX11.x cards so yes your card will get it also your CPU will see a significant boost… the real benefit (besides the gains on load) is the porting ability to and from Xbox One and PC

    • GodGamerDerp

      Current GPUs won’t have any new hardware functions DX12 requires. Just like a DX9 card can’t do hardware features required by DX10.

  • DLConspiracy//

    So when is 343industries gonna talk about ICEs work?

    • You are flat out wrong

      When they can show they’re halfway competent at making a game without alienating its fanbase.

      • DLConspiracy//

        Not the point.

    • GodGamerDerp

      Maybe when someone asks a 343i developer questions on twitter about it.

  • Reality Check

    Naughty Dog are completely overrated to begin with and work for Sony so them talking down about anything MS isn’t suspiring and should never be taken seriously.

    • GodGamerDerp

      LOL. Asshurt shills in denial. He was asked a question on twitter and answered it.

      MS is blowing PR smoke up fanboy’s asses and he called it what it was.

      Naughty Dog is one of the best developers in the industry, asshurt shill.

  • Billy Bob Thornton

    I love how much fanboys rip into each other over the slightest performance increase and how many pixels and frame rates are pushed out……. and then one of the top selling games on all three platforms is Minecraft!
    It is at that point that a healthy dose of “gameplay over graphics” slaps them all across their faces!

    • GodGamerDerp

      Indie games are important, and Sony realized that the most this gen. Nintendo and MS are playing catch up this gen on indies.

      • You are flat out wrong pony

        Indies are as cheap as your mom sony likes that kind

        • GameDev345

          Are you 12?

          Indies are the reason why you have AAA titles now. Most developers started off with indies games to make that progress

          Plus the reason why PS4 has a bigger sales base its because AAA + indies bring a wider range of audience, remember Xbox360 indie ID program, am sure you do

  • Reason Freeman

    Naughty Dog claims its hype and hasn’t worked with DX12
    Dev whose building Project Cars and is working with DX12 says up to 30% boost and WILL make the Xbox faster

    hmmmm who to believe

    • TI_21

      You are misunderstanding something.
      The PC Cars Dev is comparing DX11 to DX 12.

      The Naughty Dog Dev compares DX 12 to a low level API.

      • You Are Flat Out Wrong & Salty

        Says the hyperbole dev who talks DX12 (which is not his area of expertise.) Lol @ND logic.

        Attention seeker would do anything to damage control, sony ponies would do scare tactics but down the road it turns out to be bore-fest or delayed. ND gets insecure because Steam programmers have said that DX12 will crush anything OpenGL-based.

        Stay mad Nervy Dog ^^

        • Jack

          Pro Tip: Read the article before making yourself look like a boob.

          The person who labelled it as slow is a Naughty Dog developer. The person who said it’s not his area of expertise is an ICE dev.

          Whilst both developers work at Naughty Dog, they’re two different people with different sets of experience. One of them may very well be a DirectX veteran and understand all the details from Microsoft’s conferences – you don’t need access to the API itself for that. As for your comment – DirectX is a low level API, but up until DirectX 12 only gave programmers high-level access to the GPU (Hence the name HLSL). The difference between going through DirectX (even with the lower level access that DirectX 12 adds) and accessing hardware at a low level without it can still be significant.

        • Bobby Griffin

          You said it all

    • GameDev345

      The Project car dev said the 30 percent boost is possible “under certain cirumstances”

      So he is not even sure himself how the Directx 12 would work

      Keep thinking ND developers are idiotic fanboys like you

      • You are flat out wrong

        It’s Reason Freeman. I wouldn’t take what he pukes out seriously.

    • GodGamerDerp

      DX12 will mainly benefit CPU bound PC games like Brad Wardell’s Starswarm demo, or any game that has above average CPU demands.

      Keep making those delusional arguments by authority while understanding nothing.

    • brianc6234

      Naughty Dog know what they’re talking about, unlike you. They know way more than most developers. They make their own game engines and tools. You should believe them more than the Microsoft hype machine.

      • OldSocialist

        So you don’t think a Sony developer without hands-on experience downplaying the competition’s development tools is in any way questionable?

        • GameDev345

          Why the hell would they downplay it? That’s not their work, they were asked about it and gave their honest opinion and they are not the only devs who have said the same thing about DX12, but because they work for the competition they are all of a sudden downplaying it.

          These developers have general knowledge of the api and will try to bring out the best of the games they work on, they likely wouldn’t care less of what api the competition have as they can also work on it in their own time and have no commitment to bashing the opposition for Sony

    • Guest

      Up to 30% in CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. I love how you conveniently left that part out. And i though it was 50% more, oh no wait, 60%. You xbots are a joke who have latched on to every single secret sauce nonsense like its the truth since before the reveal of the system and have had each and every one of them fall apart, as this one will. And have any of you clowns learn a thing from that yet/ nope! Cuz y’all are dumb. Its the same reason why y’all think the Xx1 is even any good. Have fun waiting and hoping. And p.s. I think Naughty Dog programmers have a much better understanding of this than you do. My hopeful fanny.

    • Death Dealer

      Definitely not a Sony studio that doesn’t use the API to begin with.

    • You are flat out wrong

      Oh look, misterxmedia liked your little comment.

      Back over there you crawl.

    • mariano guntin

      30% in some circumstances…… better read next time.

  • Dynasty2021

    Well, there goes quite a chunk of respect for Naughty Dog for me.

    Blatantly saying what Sony want to say, and console gamers won’t question them as they think they’re god because of The Last Of Us and Uncharted.

    ND, there’s a reason more people use Nvidia instead of AMD. And therefore DirectX.

    And if you’re going to talk about pure marketing hyperbole, Uncharted 4 says “Hi.” All this “blow your mind” bollocks?

    It’s on consoles so can only graphically go as far as games we’ve had for the past few years now. It won’t be blowing anyone’s minds other than blind fanboys.

    DX12 is the future, leading to even better graphics. Consoles are lagging far, far behind, meaning we won’t see that future any time soon because of their rubbish hardware.

    • GameDev345

      If you get you PC fanboy head out of your arse for a moment, you would see the ND developer called the first GDC session a marketing hyberbole not because he thinks Directx12 is a hyberbole, but the words they used to describe it like “Biggest leap in technology”. Which is why he said the second session was more interesting

      You can praise PC all you want, but to get the best out of it unlike next gen consoles, you have to spend out heavy while not even getting the best games on it

      PC is a heavy multitasking machine, specs and hardware that can easily be changed, Consoles are less multitasking and mostly used for games or game features, so this comparisons you PC fanboys keep making are ridiculous.

      I agree with your last statement, consoles can go only so far, but this is very early for these consoles. Compare early PS3 games to Last of Us to see that vast improvement. The hardware are limited but can be improved well, with the PS4 hardware leading in that aspect

    • The Wolf 47

      Right… If that’s the case, then why wasn’t Direct X11 optimized the same way as Direct X12 will?

      How about the Xbox 360 holding up back the entire 7th gen?

      Because it had more sales than the PS3, PC and direct X took the back burner and Microsoft didn’t wanted PCs to be that much better either.

      They’ve had a long time to optimize Direct X before today, but it just so happens that the PS4 needed to kick the Xbox’s ass to actually get some changes.
      If it weren’t for the PS4, we’d all be stucked behind a shit ton of DRM on both Xbox One and PC, we’d still wouldn’t get any games for free, we’d still have to pay 2 pay walls to enjoy Media Apps.

      “Consoles” aren’t the ones holding back the progress of PCs, Microsoft is, with overcharged Windows and Xbox.

      • Andre Robinson

        Why isn’t the galaxy s3 as good as the s5? Because technology moves fast your shit is outdated more everyday. What your saying makes no since “why iand directx11 as good as directx12″ seriously somebody needs to slap you

        • The Wolf 47

          Direct X11 is over bloated. They could have made it so much more efficient from the beginning. Developers have been complaining about it for a long time. You’d think they would have made it better by now.

          Hardware-wise, indeed, newer technology wields better results.
          The piss-poor optimization of Direct X11 kept the hardware back by a large margin.
          Hell, if they claim that your “Hardware” aka your Samsung S3 can get a 200% boost with DX12 to the power of of the S5 has with DX11 then you know it wasn’t optimized to begin with.

          We’re talking about Software with Direct X12, not Hardware. Know the difference.
          Low-level access has been around for a very long time.

    • GodGamerDerp

      Delusional, hateful, mustard angry at PS4′s success.

      ND stated the truth – the lower level the API, the more performance you can extract out of the hardware. That’s why DX12 is going lower level to begin with. Naughty Dog will have some visuals any unbiased person would call beautiful on PS4.

      “blind fanboys?” LOL. Extreme mustard jealousy. PS4 is raising the bar for gaming graphics, since it’s stronger than most PCs, it’s low end PCs that hold gaming back. Almost nobody has a high end PC GPU, devs won’t put much effort into such a tiny and hateful group of neckbeards.

      The real “god gaming race” owns both a good PC and consoles, and they find your lies and ignorance disgraceful.

      Both PS4 and Xbox will have good exclusive games, high end PCs are best for multiplatform games if you have the time, money, and effort to build and maintain one.

      PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt. I’m constantly right, as usual.

      PC and PS4 are different markets with different pros and cons. PS4 has price/performance and simplicity, PCs have a higher potential performance, but generally more expensive and requires time and knowledge to buy, build, and maintain one.

      PS4 has some interesting architecture benefits over traditional split CPU/GPU split memory pool PCs, and other GPGPU customizations. PS4 is comparable to a mid range PC at 1.84TF considering the APU and GPGPU architecture benefits and low level single platform coding. For $400 you get a lot of price/performance, more than a $400 PC would get you. PS4 is better than most PCs. PS4 will have lots of good exclusives, both console only and PS4 only.

      Xbox/PC fanboys seem to be on a war on people too poor or unwilling/unable to spend time and money buying, building, and maintaining a PC. Mustard race claiming they can afford multi-thousand dollar PCs but too poor to buy a $200-400 console.

      Both PS4 and Xbox will have good exclusive games, high end PCs are best for multiplatform games if you have the time, money, and effort to build and maintain one. Only deranged fanboys keep chewing their own legs off screaming about “PS4 peasants”.

      Mustards don’t have “a point”, they just hate anyone who doesn’t have the time, money, or interest in building and maintaining a PC, and hate the fact that consoles offer a comparable gaming experience and exclusive games they can’t have. Unless they grow up and buy a console themselves, which isn’t that expensive compared to their imaginary quad SLI 4k PCs.

      Clueless and deceptive PC “builds” that leave out any accessories, an optical drive, or the $90 Windows license, cute. I love how the “next gen crusher” only has 4GB DDR3 RAM, under Watch Dogs minimum recommended 6GB, a CPU that Watch Dogs will choke on, and a bargain basement $20 case and $27 PSU. That thing would die trying to run Watch Dogs, LOL.

      Let’s take the $412.86 “next gen crusher” add the $90 Windows 8 License (because we’re not pirating parasites like you), and $50 for a decent mouse and keyboard that won’t fall apart after a month. Actual price? $552.82 for a PC that doesn’t even meet the minimum Watch Dogs PC specs. Whoops.

      All you’re doing is proving you don’t know the real price of building a PC.

      Oh boy, an article full of mustard racers chewing their own legs off screaming about peasants and bad PC ports. Not sure how they can hate other people who don’t have the time, money, and/or interest in building and maintaining a gaming PC.

      I assume you pirate everything including Windows. PC master parasite more like it. Console game sales sustain the AAA industry. If it were all PC most games would be free to play or always online MMO type games that can’t be pirated, i.e. League of Legends, World of Warcraft, etc.

      High end PCs will always be a tiny market, most PC gaming is done on low end PCs playing League of Legends, WoW, or other F2P or MMOs. Console game sales sustain the AAA industry, they’ll get the majority of developer focus most of the time in multiplatform games.

      • Asdfgfddsa

        Yeah okay mate

        See you tomorrow for my usual coffee and egg mcmuffin

      • 2econd gpu unlocking

        LOL running shit scared like all sony fans.

        50% more power with driveclub, order etc downgraded…

        Wolfenisten has sharper textures like most multi=plat versions

        • GameDev345

          bright colors isn’t the same as sharp textures, textures on Xbox multiplats are bad

          When comparing multiplats, Digital Foundry has pointed this out for the Xbox one

    • pterois

      Fortunately that is not the case! We haven’t had a truly new-gen title yet because old gen support was holding development back. What we had for the last few years are better frame rates and higher resolutions and only through the modding community have there been truly beautiful games that took advantage of more powerful hardware. Now that new gen consoles are leading the way and setting the foundation on which the PC will improve upon we will see some truly breathtaking titles like Batman Arkham Knight, Assassin’s Creed Unity, The Witcher 3 , Alien Isolation and Dragon Age Inquisition. Naughty Dog is an amazing studio that can definitely achieve on the PS4 a visual quality that has not been witnessed before no matter how powerful the hardware was. New gen consoles will certainly have a positive impact on game development and within the next couple of years we will see a big increase in visual quality.

  • FayZ_

    ND should just shut up & stop sucking yoshida’s tip, if power & ease of development was their main concern then they should develop for pc games & then they can use A LOT more power than the indiestation 4.

    not sure why they are still exclusive, it would make more sense for them to go multiplat, though i guess they are the only devs keeping the ps4 alive.

    • Ottoni Bastos

      PC master race = port-begging console exclusives;

      Sony owns ND,stay with your unoptimized multiplats.

    • TI_21

      ease of development for PC?!

      You are funny

    • GodGamerDerp

      You sound upset that PS4 is the more powerful console for gaming visuals.

      • Jack Joyce

        WoW you really are a dense troll…He’s talking about PC… PC > PS4 for Visuals you retard.

        • GodGamerDerp

          You’re closet xbox fanboys hiding behind high end PCs.

          Stay mad at PS4′s success, I guess.

          • Jack Joyce

            Dude I own a X1/PS4/PC..Hiding behind what? You’re the one hiding behind a PS4.

            Man the fuck up and accept that ND is an overrated studio.

          • GodGamerDerp

            LOL

            You hate the fact PS4 is more powerful and selling more, so you keep attacking it from behind PCs while ignoring the fact that Xbox is even weaker.

            The real “god gaming race” owns both a good PC and consoles, and they find your lies and ignorance disgraceful.

            Both PS4 and Xbox will have good exclusive games, high end PCs are best for multiplatform games if you have the time, money, and effort to build and maintain one.

            PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt. I’m constantly right, as usual.

            PC and PS4 are different markets with different pros and cons. PS4 has price/performance and simplicity, PCs have a higher potential performance, but generally more expensive and requires time and knowledge to buy, build, and maintain one.

            PS4 has some interesting architecture benefits over traditional split CPU/GPU split memory pool PCs, and other GPGPU customizations. PS4 is comparable to a mid range PC at 1.84TF considering the APU and GPGPU architecture benefits and low level single platform coding. For $400 you get a lot of price/performance, more than a $400 PC would get you. PS4 is better than most PCs. PS4 will have lots of good exclusives, both console only and PS4 only.

            Xbox/PC fanboys seem to be on a war on people too poor or unwilling/unable to spend time and money buying, building, and maintaining a PC. Mustard race claiming they can afford multi-thousand dollar PCs but too poor to buy a $200-400 console.

            Both PS4 and Xbox will have good exclusive games, high end PCs are best for multiplatform games if you have the time, money, and effort to build and maintain one. Only deranged fanboys keep chewing their own legs off screaming about “PS4 peasants”.

          • Jack Joyce

            I don’t want Naughty Dog to go multiplat…Multiplat takes away from the quality of studios.

            Power? Never interested me..I’ve got a PC for power you troll.
            Sales? The consoles have been out for half a year? 6.5-9.5 more years to go you troll, get out of your cave.

            I’ll enjoy ALL platforms while you sit here and waste your life away trolling through comment sections. It is quite sad, you may want to get a job. (I see you when ever I come home doing this so I know you have too much time on your hands)

          • Guest

            Why are you only angry at the PS fnaboy, but dont saya single thing to all the xbox trolls? Dont worry about answering that, i already know the answer. Whiny f*ck!

          • Jack Joyce

            Because the Xbox trolls are at least comical to me, the trolls like Derp/PS4lol(Same fucking person) are retarded. They state the same things, and love to fuck about it.

            And you can call me an “Xbot” when you’re just as retarded as Derp over here…Congrats kid, go play on your PS4 while I go play the REAL indies on my PC, and play some Halo on my 360, while watching netflix snapped on my X1 (Using the 360 as HDMI Pass through)

            Halo overrated? To some, yes…But if you’re an FPS fan and you don’t like Halo then you’re probably only going to enjoy Quake for it’s the king of fast paced action.

            DX is overrated? Since you clearly don’t have a fucking clue what you’re talking about DirectX > Open GL. Any day.

          • GodGamerDerp

            Apparently PS4′s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset.

            Stay asshurt at PS4′s success. Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

            It’s good to know you’re completely wrong and raging against facts and reality, and nothing you say will happen. I’m constantly right, you’re constantly wrong.

          • GodGamerDerp

            Apparently PS4′s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset.

            Stay asshurt at PS4′s success. Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

            It’s good to know you’re completely wrong and raging against facts and reality, and nothing you say will happen. I’m constantly right, you’re constantly wrong.

          • GodGamerDerp

            Dumb as rocks, demented, delusional, constantly wrong, hypocritical, hateful microsoft fanboy shill.

            Apparently PS4′s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset.

            Stay asshurt at PS4′s success. Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

            PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt. I’m constantly right, as usual.

          • You are flat out pony

            Sony sells the ps4 to retarded people, all this more power thing is just rubbish look at all the sony lies 1080p 60fps watch dogs hahaha

            They look the same on both platform

            Face facts just face it rent boy sony is on it’s ass it’s going bankrupt end off.

            Why put your welfare money into a sinking ship, get over it consoles suck given the 10 year cycle.

          • Mike C

            I don’t know about selling it to retarded people but GodGamerDerp bought one so they may be some truth to your claim.

          • Guest

            Your funny, but looks arent everything. I have never heard you say anything even remotely as smart as what derp says, yet he’s retarded? But yeah, i can see how a retard would think that.

          • Guest

            Sorry clown, but WD has a 30% higher res on the PS4, with a better framerate (steadier) and way less tearing. Has AO (a stronger/higher qualiy version of it), has higher res shadows and a higher precision DOF than the X1 version. X1 fails again! And Sony did not try and say WD was 1080p/60fps, its called a mistake. You know the thing you make every time you open your mouth. And MS sells X1′s to retarded people. You’d have to be to knowingly buy a inferior system that costs more based on the hopes and dreams of fanboy’s nonsense. Not to mention how anybody would support a company like MS after their disastrous DRM policies. That takes some serious fanboyism or ignorance to buy it after that.

          • FayZ_

            yeah sony have been making plenty of ‘mistakes’
            watch dogs not 1080p 60fps
            driveclub not 1080p 60fps
            killzone multiplayer not 1080p 60fps
            psn downtime.. for the 100th time
            psn hacked through fifa 14 on ps4… again
            ps4 chat audio quality
            ps4 ds controller poor battery life
            ps4 has poor levels of multitasking for a next gen console
            sony is bankrupt and ps4 is not large enough to save the company
            lack of timed or decent exclusivity except ND

            but its ok ps4 games will always be 1080p right? oh wait watch_dogs is 900p? didn’t you sonybots hate 900p? LOL

            suck it up fanbitch and go pc if specs is all you care about.

          • Guest

            Yeah and? MS has made making plenty more ‘mistakes’
            Watch dogs not 1080p 60fps (only 792p with more framedrops and tearing, and lower quality AO and lower res shadows.
            Forza 5 graphically downgraded with barely next gen assets.
            killzone IS multiplayer 1080p 60fps.
            XBL has had plenty of mistakes and hacks.
            XBL hacked by a 5 yr old.
            XBL poor chat audio quality.
            X1 controller sucking.
            X1 has poor levels of multitasking for a next gen console. Snap is not impressive multitasking, and its limited to that small whacky windows/pane.
            MS shareholders and CEO and Bill gates want to spin off/sell the Xbox division. Cuz its done nothing but lost them money since day one.
            Lack of timed or decent exclusivity, period!

            but its ok but its MS and you people are just stupid faboys and X1 couldnt even do WD at 900p and even at its lower res, still had to lower the shadow res and AO quality and has more framedrops and tearing. Didnt you xbots expect the X1 to be able to do 1080/60fps from the get go? LOL

            suck it up fanbitch and go pc or something more powerful than the X1 if specs is all you care about.

          • You are flat out wrong

            You sound upset.

          • GodGamerDerp

            Dumb as rocks, demented, delusional, constantly wrong, hypocritical, hateful microsoft fanboy shill.

            Apparently PS4′s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset.

            Stay asshurt at PS4′s success. Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

            PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt. I’m constantly right, as usual.

          • Guest

            Shut up xbot, you man up and admit that Halo is overrated. and DX is WAY overrated.

          • GameDev345

            ND is an overrated studio, now have heard it all. Tell me when one self grown Microsoft studio achieve half of what ND have achieved

            There was a recent interview between Mark cerny and Yoshida in their early days, it talks about how Naughy Dog only require and look for the best developers

            Remember Corrie Yu (highly rated developer) from 343i? Guess what studio she is working at now??

          • Jack Joyce

            You do realize Corrie Yu left 343 to live with her husband and family. Naughty Dog was just located in the right area.

            I love how you refuse to look at the legit reasons and prefer to fell out your own reasoning behind it.

            And you realize that EVERY big studio says that now. “We look for the best devs”. Black Tusk/343 employees have some pretty high experience requirements.

          • GameDev345

            “Naughty Dog was just located in the right area”

            Yeah thats how getting a job works out, it is in the right area. It would have to require them accepting her and her looking for a job there. I love how your reasoning works too on how people get jobs

            I honestly didn’t know she actually left to live to with her family but that didn’t guarantee her a job at ND, being a top highly rated developer guaranteed her that job and,she herself could have easily gotten a job at any other studio if ND weren’t a highly rated studio.

            “And you realize that EVERY big studio says that now. “We look for the best devs”"

            ND never said it, i wonder where you got that from? I said Mark Cerny described how ND would only require the best highly rated developers, also with high professionalism work ethic. He was describing how back then you would rarely find any other developer like them. Which makes them far from an overrated studio

            Over 200 awards on Last of Us and Uncharted, with multiple awards on other games. show me a Microsoft home grown studio that has achieved that

          • GodGamerDerp

            Dumb as rocks, demented, delusional, constantly wrong, hypocritical, hateful microsoft fanboy shill.

            Apparently PS4′s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset.

            Stay asshurt at PS4′s success. Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

            PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt. I’m constantly right, as usual.

          • GodGamerDerp

            Dumb as rocks, demented, delusional, constantly wrong, hypocritical, hateful microsoft fanboy shill.

            Apparently PS4′s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset.

            Stay asshurt at PS4′s success. Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

            PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt. I’m constantly right, as usual.

          • X86

            And how is this ps4 working out for you.

            You sure spend a lot of time defending it and trying to sell it

          • GodGamerDerp

            Apparently PS4′s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset.

            Stay asshurt at PS4′s success. Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

        • GodGamerDerp

          Dumb as rocks, demented, delusional, constantly wrong, hypocritical, hateful microsoft fanboy shill.

          Apparently PS4′s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset.

          Stay asshurt at PS4′s success. Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

          PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt. I’m constantly right, as usual.
          ,,

      • 2econd gpu unlocking

        then why does the Xbox one have the sharper textures?
        Move Engines hardware blocks yet 2 be used for DX12.

      • FayZ_

        wow this idiot thinks PS4 is more powerful than a pc LOL well that sums up the intelligence of sonybots ps4 is so powerful that it protects there virginity.

        • GodGamerDerp

          You are so immensely stupid and wrong it’s painful.

          I SAID PS4 WAS MORE POWERFUL THAN MOST PCS THAT IS A FACT.

          MOST

          PCS

          YOU ARE DUMB WRONG AND EVIL.

    • You are flat out wrong

      Little Faisal the Xbot wishes MS had a first party developer as good as Naughty Dog.

      Keep begging for ports though, maybe one day you’ll get a game.

      • FayZ_

        whos this little stalker? LOL some truly dumb fanboys here. yoshida loves to bend you idiots over.

        • You are flat out wrong

          Awww, has the truth slapped little Faisal about? Cry harder.

          Maybe if you beg Phil Sphincter for games on Twitter enough he might throw you a bone.

        • GodGamerDerp

          Dumb as rocks, demented, delusional, constantly wrong, hypocritical, hateful microsoft fanboy shill.

          Apparently PS4′s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset.

          Stay asshurt at PS4′s success. Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

    • GodGamerDerp

      Dumb as rocks, demented, delusional, constantly wrong, hypocritical, hateful microsoft fanboy shill.

  • Joe_HTH

    LOL! So a Sony developer claims Microsoft and DX12 is full of shit? Who expected anything less.

    All you have to do is read the recent rants by numerous developers to show you what a complete mess OpenGL is.

    • TI_21

      Uhh yeah. OpenGL is shit ATM compared to DX, but why bring it up?
      Neither of the new gen consoles uses it…

    • GameDev345

      “All you have to do is read the recent rants by numerous developers to show you what a complete mess OpenGL is”

      This is why know nothings like you shouldn’t run your mouth against actual developers
      The PS4 doesn’t use OpenGL, it uses its own custom PSGL ES and custom DirectX11.2

      The first ND developer said DirectX was slow under certain circumstances, hence the need for low level access like Directx12

      The second ND developer said the new sdks(Directx12) do actually bring improvements, though he doesn’t know about DirectX12

      So none of them actually said it was full of shit

      These are actual professionals, not fanboys with an allegiance to a complany.

      • Andrew Clear

        I want to know why Microsoft gave Sony the source code to DirectX to allow them to make a custom Direct X 11.2

        Also, PSGL ES is open gl, fool. It is just a version of open gl es that sony has modified to work on their system. And, to TI_21, the wii u does use open gl.

        • GameDev345

          “Also, PSGL ES is open gl, fool. It is just a version of open gl es that sony has modified to work on their system”

          They modified it, yet you still think it is open gl and am the fool. There is a reason why it is custom, any upgrade Open gl gets the ps4 DOES NOT get, hence why the PS4 doesn’t use open gl, yes it is a open gl but a custom one, so doesn’t have the advantages or disadvantages of a direct open gl

          “I want to know why Microsoft gave Sony the source code to DirectX to allow them to make a custom Direct X 11.2″

          Because Sony can buy the api or licence to it from Microsoft and modify it to their standards, which they did

      • Andre Robinson

        So you think custom 11.2 is better than 12?your a joke bro and yes Playstation uses open gl

        • GameDev345

          Please point out where i said the custom 11.2 was better than Directx12?? i didn’t even imply that

          I was just telling someone what api’s included in the PS4, I have no clue what improvement Directx12 will bring

          No, Playstation doesn’t use Opengl, it uses a form of open gl which is far more modified to the extent that it doesn’t use any of the qualities of Open gl

          Open gl is open source, PSGL ES is not, use that so called brain in your head

    • GodGamerDerp

      Which PS4 doesn’t use.
      You sound upset that PS4 is the more powerful console for gaming visuals.

      • DLConspiracy//

        Your famous quote should be on a nice plaque over the urinal.

        “You sound upset that PS4 ____________”.

        If 343i was talking about ICEs work the same you would be saying the same thing. Let’s not pretend you wouldn’t.

        • Guest

          Always arguing against the PS fanboys. Yup you’re a xbot.

          • DLConspiracy//

            I have plenty of friends who only own a ps4. fortunately they are not complete idiots, they don’t put down other peoples choices on a regular basis.

          • GodGamerDerp

            Dumb as rocks, demented, delusional, constantly wrong, hypocritical, hateful microsoft fanboy shill.

            Apparently PS4′s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset.

            Stay asshurt at PS4′s success. Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

            PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt. I’m constantly right, as usual.

            ,,,

          • DLConspiracy//

            uh huh. Whatever you say buddy.

          • Guest

            And what? that means you’re not a fanboy? ok, buddy, keep telling yourself that. And why aint you complaining to the xbots that are constantly putting down peoples choices on a regular basis. oh yeah, cuz youre a fanboy.

          • DLConspiracy//

            Oh poor you getting picked on for having the stronger console. I am sure that’s really tough on you when the underdog fans put you down for your “better” console.

            I love how you justify your own fanboy comments by calling someone a fanboy simply because they don’t hate Xbox one and find enjoyment out of it. Pretty funny how you classify people because of their interests. I like both so I find purpose going into both consoles articles. You however are threatened by peoples interests. Don’t worry not here to take away your one console. Gamer.

          • Guest

            And i love how you justify your fanboy comments by calling me a fanboy simply cuz i dont hate the PS4 and find enjoyment out of it. Yet you hate the Sony fanboys, because you cant stand the truth and are a fanboy yourself. And i love the amount of assumtpions you are making. I dont even own a PS4 and am a 360 owner. Sucker! Now buzz off you phony fanboy.

          • DLConspiracy//

            Even more reason you shouldn’t be in here spouting off at the mouth. I didn’t say PONY or XBOT in anything I said. You did.

        • GodGamerDerp

          Dumb as rocks, demented, delusional, constantly wrong, hypocritical, hateful microsoft fanboy shill.

          Apparently PS4′s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset.

          Stay asshurt at PS4′s success. Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

          PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt. I’m constantly right, as usual.

          • DLConspiracy//

            Pipe down buddy. I can have opinion that isn’t JUST yours… You are seriously so pushy.

      • 2econd gpu unlocking

        yet the Xbox one has sharper textures…

        • GameDev345

          In an alternative universe yes?

          Brighter colors are used to optimize certain multiplats on Xbox One because of the low resolutions compared to the PS4, but the Xbox one games, still have more jaggies, bad textures, less shadows, ambient occulsion is less existent and pop ups are common

          All that in sacrifice for bright colors, nice

    • brianc6234

      Microsoft are a bunch of liars. They say DX12 will be magic and make all games great. Naughty Dog is just letting you know Microsoft is full of crap.

      • Andre Robinson

        Let the games do the talking. Uncharted is 1 game

    • Guest

      Actually OpenGL is better than DX11 and probably DX12 too. Its just harder to code for Hence why devs like DX better. But that will change soon, with iOS, android and SteamOS all using OGL. Only a dumb fanboy would think other wise. Even Nvidia has said OGL is faster, along with Valve.

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