PlanetSide 2 Dev On PS4: “Our Real Bottlenecks Are On CPU Side;” Aiming For 60 FPS On PS4

Planetside 2

PlanetSide 2 is currently in development for the PlayStation 4 with a beta version to be announced at a later date. The game was originally supposed to release with the launch of PlayStation 4 but has taken its sweet time in development.

In a recent interview with Eurogamer, creative director of Planetside 2, Matt Higby talked about the development experience of porting PlanetSide 2 to the PlayStation 4.

If the recently released games like Grand Theft Auto V and Assassin’s Creed Unity are any indication, the PS4 CPU is relatively less powerful compared to the GPU. Matt Higby confirms this and talks about the issues they faced with PlanetSide 2 on the PlayStation 4.

Our real bottlenecks are on the CPU side. From a graphical fidelity perspective, people will be impressed with what they see on the PS4. That’s always one of those things people are skeptical about. I see every time we post an article like this I always get called out: ‘haha, it’s bullshit he’s saying it’s going to look as good.’ It really does.

Again, the graphical fidelity is every bit as high. The slowdowns we have are on the CPU side more than the GPU side. It’s because we’re tracking and updating so many different players moving on your screen and moving around at once. All that animation and all the audio that’s associated with all those characters running around, all of their projectiles being simulated in their client, all those things end up hitting the CPU, not the GPU.

So, generally when our frame-rates are low, it’s a CPU problem, not a GPU problem. And that’s where we’re optimising right now, to get our CPU running faster so the game is running at a more consistent frame-rate on the PS4.

He also confirms that they are aiming for 1080p and 60 fps on the PS4 although might settle for a locked 30 fps if situation demands.

Right now we’re running for 1080p. We’re still trying to shoot for 60fps. We’re trying to get a solid frame-rate. So if we go to 30 it’ll be because we want to maintain a completely solid 30fps. But that’s the optimisation we’re working on right now. And we’re still grinding on it.

This confirms the weak CPU of the PlayStation 4, which seems to be giving the developers some trouble recently. The Xbox One has a CPU that is slightly more powerful than the PS4–although the Xbox One has a relatively weaker GPU compared to the PS4–this better CPU has resulted in some performance advantage for the console in games with CPU-bound scenario like Assassin’s Creed Unity.

What do you have to say to the remarks made by Matt Higby? Let us know in the comments below.

  • Joel Jazzi Bodden

    a cpu under 3.0 in this day and age is just sad

  • Pops

    Looks like Microsoft saw this coming.with there better CPU and cloud.wheres the 1080 p 60 fps.oh I forgot those games where last gen engines.

  • Pops

    Wow!1080pwith 30frames.what happened to 60fps.just wow.keep buying hype.looks like Microsoft knew this was going to happen.they opt for a higher CPU and the power of the cloud for these kind of games.

  • The Glorious PC Master Race

    Async compute is just a queue and nothing fancy. Stop using buzzwords MisterPlaystationMedia. It makes you look stupider than you already are.

  • albatrosMyster

    Please don’t lock this at 30, especially since it seems to run above 60 most of the time now… I would much rather take a performance level comparative to Thomb Raider:DE than locked 30… I won’t even bother trying a shooter locked at 30fps (now with the sales number Destiny got, I know this is not something many people say).

  • sergeantnorider

    People who think that Sony just raise the clock speed with no negative consequences have never built a gaming PC before. PS4 is already running hotter than the XB1 and considerably louder from all reports. With the small case and small fans that over clock could brick PS4s left and right. But hey…go ahead. Interested to see what happens….LOL.

    • demderp

      You are pure evil and deranged human waste that can only scream lies and sick, evil hatred onto the internet that any sane, normal person would look at with revulsion and horror. You are worthless and evil human waste seeping onto the internet that needs to be removed.

      You blindly hate and lie about a corporation, pieces of plastic, and any exclusive games on it. Nobody sane or reasonable will ever consider your blind and hateful opinions on Playstation games. You are just another ignorant, blind fanboy flinging feces and screaming.

      This is the extent of a microsoft shill’s ability to argue. They either blatantly lie, make delusional predictions that never happen, blindly hate on anything Playstation, or just fling feces and scream. Another sick, dumb, evil microsoft shill flinging feces in the face of facts, reality, and reasonable arguments.

      You are mentally diseased, blind, lying, dumb, ignorant, hypocritical, worthless, pure evil fanboy waste.

      Stop spreading fanboy lies, ignorance, trolling, and blind hate. All of your lies and blind hatred only make you look deranged and sick to normal, sane people.

      More pure evil microsoft shill fanboy waste invading disqus to spread Lies, Ignorance, Blind Hatred.

      You are mentally diseased, lying, vastly ignorant and stupid, worthless, hypocritical, pure evil microsoft shill human waste.

      Big surprise, another article swarming with sick microsoft shill waste spreading lies, ignorance, and blind hatred about Playstation. They are a pestilence.

      Ignorant, sick, shills screaming blind hatred and lies about a corporation, pieces of plastic, any exclusive games on it, and anyone who likes playing on it. Sad.

      Stop spreading fanboy lies, ignorance, trolling, and blind hate. All of your lies and blind hatred only make you look deranged and sick to normal, sane people.

      You are clearly mentally ill and a pathological liar on top of a blind, sick, and evil fanboy.

      You are a Pathological Liar that continues to Pathologically Lie even after being Corrected Multiple Times.

      Stop spreading fanboy lies, ignorance, trolling, and blind hate. All of your lies and blind hatred only make you look deranged and sick to normal, sane people.

      Your Constant Pathological Lies to fuel a deranged hatred of pieces of plastic prove you have mental issues.

    • You are flat out wrong

      Kind of sad the only games your boy Greenberg could list for the first
      half of next year were multiplats, a 360 games and a PC port.

      Xbone truly has no games.

      • The Glorious PC Master Race

        Kinda sad the amount of tears you put out screaming and blaming M$ for Sony’s bottlenecked and underpowered console. But what can you expect from a kebab damage controlling for free in their Chechnya hovel.

        No wait. Hilarious. Keep crying those silky smooth 27FPS tears and damage controlling (For free) and I’ll keep laughing at your Nogamestation 900PS4 :^)

        • You are flat out wrong

          rscottyg the totally not a Shitbox shill pipes up again. Still waiting for that source about FFXV being 792p. :^)

          • The Glorious PC Master Race

            You mean the source I posted but you completely ignored because you don’t want people saying mean things about your shitstation, kebab?

            Keep dreaming that your console will ever be good when even Sony is admitting it’s underpowered and bottlenecked. And keep being desperate you think I’m a shill for the shitbox nogaems. It’s funny how you have nothing but excuses and deflections. Just like Sony to its investors :^)

          • You are flat out wrong

            I mean the source you didn’t post. But hey, kindly relink it again so I can peruse it. It shouldn’t take you too long.

            Keep up the shilling, rscottyg. :^)

  • Vulcanproject

    Xbox One has like a 9 percent CPU clockspeed advantage. PS4 has something like a 40+ percent GPU performance advantage. This was also only because Microsoft raised the clocks of their machine at the last minute in an attempt to close the gap to PS4’s superior graphics hardware.

    These consoles have been heavily slanted in favour of GPU performance because if you are clever you can offload many CPU tasks to a GPGPU and get good performance, but you can’t move GPU tasks to the CPU side, because it would be impossibly slow.

    In short, the GPU matters more, more of the time these days. You build these machines on a budget and you always compromise so the focus on GPU performance is correct, even if it means the CPU is rather low performance relative to a decent dekstop x86 CPU.

  • Spencer

    They should just optimize around the async compute abilities of the PS4 GPU and this won’t be an issue.

    • The Glorious PC Master Race

      Which won’t happen because the console is still underclocked and no matter how many GPGPU and Aysnc compute buzzwords you throw out. Especially since Aysync compute is basically a fancy pants term for a data cue that still has to go through PS4’s slow memory and underpowered APU.

      Ah peasants.

      • Spencer

        Man you’re stupid.

        Slow memory? It’s faster than the ram available on PC with a closer, faster pathway between CPU, GPU, and RAM.

        Get educated and get wrecked, retard.

        • The Glorious PC Master Race

          Another MisterCernyMedia worshipper.

          I’m already educated. Solo GDDR5 has incredibly high latency. It’s slower compared to a DDR3 + GDDR5 set up. It’s going to miss texture filtering and games will have reduced LOD and the low clock cores of the CPU and GPU mean games will struggle with framerates.

          Get rekt, console scrub.

  • chrisredfield31

    X1 CPU speed is only 150mhz higher (1.6 vs 1.75) Cmon man this is total clickbait.

  • Randen Montalvo

    It would be easier to simply bump up the clock speed on PS4 which has a higher clock ability then it currently is beyond the X1. Remember X1 was actually lower on both parts CPU & GPU until they raised the clock speed.

    • DLConspiracy//

      I have heard its a heat issue inside the PS4 but I could be wrong. Otherwise that would be a simple fix.

  • Dr. NEGA

    it still doesn’t mean xbox is off the hook, the max cpu speed on jaguar cores can go up to 2.25 ghz on both if they wanted to but the built in 7000 GPU is the worst architecture for overheating issues occur so using the smallest cpu as possible, imagine AMD used 8 core FX plus 7990 built in ??? its pointless to me when the AMD FX cpus couldn’t beat intel Haswell or previous gen even at 4.0ghz proves that theory…and that made AMD more miserable of making cpu’s ever again…..WHY CMT architecture , the only OS can benefit is UNIX servers and workstations with more than one sockets motherboard…ITS DISASTER FOR AMD FOR WATTS…..

  • maxinthefax

    I LOVE PLAYSTATION I’ll PLAY IT IN ANY GIVEN FRAMERATE FROM 0 TO 120

  • maxinthefax

    bottleneck sucking d***. are you trying to shift us towards PC gaming? no way in hell will we ever do that and we are always content with what we get from the console’s capabilities. if you have a solution then fix it if you don’t, then shut the f*** up that’s what i wanted to say from the get going

  • maxinthefax

    c’mon each generation since the gloriousdays of PS1 and this problem persists and whenever a new generation of playstation gets released as soon as we hear those people perpetually repeating the same broken record? well what the f*** do you think is the soloution? well don’t ask us becuase you got the answers thank you and goodnight i’m pissed off right now

  • Diselt

    The CPU of the X1 and the PS4 are identical in architecture, the only difference between them is that the X1’s is clocked a few hundred MHz higher.

    That doesn’t mean the PS4’s CPU is “weak” (although it really is compared to most current-day desktop processors, but Jaguar is meant more for mobile devices anyway, it’s a small core). The dev himself stated there’s a TON of stuff that’s going on that hits the CPU — it’s the same on PC. Even after they released the update on PC that improved support for multicore processors, the game still hit the CPU pretty hard.

  • He’s not talking about PS4 specifically. He’s saying that Planetside 2 (which uses the Forgelight engine) has bottlenecks on CPU side, as all MMOs do as they have to track down massive worlds with thousands of players in it.

  • Devon Day

    Keep in mind Microsoft did a last minute boost towards the CPU to attempt to lower the power disparity. Sony most likely will boost the CPU later on this gen., but for the time being, I do not think 60fps will be that big of a blow; especially considering the grand scale of PlanetSide 2.

  • jacksjus

    If Sony in fact went to the developers for their input in designing the PS4, why are they reporting bottlenecks so soon? Did Sony ignore their CPU request?

    • DarthDiggler

      @jacksjus:disqus

      Yep Sony spent all kinds of money to court developers by getting their input and then just ignoring them.

      You really this dumb? Or you just having a bad day?

      • jacksjus

        I’m smart enough to know that your mother should have just swallowed you. As a result here you are.

    • Anon

      For it to be just a complete cpu bottleneck we’d have to assume that the processor isn’t stalling due to loads from slower stages of memory, poor parallelism, unpredictable/mispredicted branching, false sharing, etc., amongst a long list of processor nuances that can cause code execution to halt (or rather, programmer “nuances” due to code design).

      Those sorts of things are far more likely to get in the way first prior to cpu speed itself becoming the actual problem, especially for the current crop of games and api’s. Optimizing for those things can be hard, and with diminishing returns for effort. Eventually it’s just becomes easier to ask for quicker processors so that the code that *can* immediately execute (in between such throughput sapping occurrences), will execute, and does so faster. An easy thing for pc devs to fall back on, not so much for console devs though.

      • jacksjus

        I really appreciate your reasonable response. Thank you for this.

      • Marcus Jackson

        well said.

  • Volpejr

    1080p at all costs. Sony should get their priorities in order and lower the resolution so the game can run at 60fps.

    • DarthDiggler

      @volpejr:disqus

      With a game like PlanetSide 30fps would be just fine. The original one hardly hit 30fps and it was still a blast. If I had to choose between 60fps and 1080p, I would opt for 1080p, as that would give you more detail to aim at.

      Let the developers decide how to best optimize the game.

      • reallydude?

        The game still barely runs on PC in large fights. My friends has a high end rig and complains about the large 1000 man fights dipping to about 4-6 fps.

        • your wrong

          i have a low end pc and i can run large fights fine with the settings tuned right….

      • DLConspiracy//

        The thing is that frames per second generally help with reaction times. It truly makes a difference on a competitive game like this. Especially a game in first person. Fluid gameplay always trumps resolution for these type of games. Hopefully they can achieve 60fps but this game is a cpu hog.

    • You are flat out wrong

      MS should got their priorities in order so it has games in the first place.

      • DLConspiracy//

        He’s right and he also didn’t mention anything about Xbox either.

      • The Glorious PC Master Race

        Consoles should get their priorities in order so they have games in the first place and Sony shills don’t have to upvote themselves with empty accounts. Wii-U excepted because it has games.

        I wonder when Planetside 2 will run 60FPS on the failurestation 4. OH WAIT.

        • demderp

          You are pure evil and deranged human waste that can only scream lies and sick, evil hatred onto the internet that any sane, normal person would look at with revulsion and horror. You are worthless and evil human waste seeping onto the internet that needs to be removed.

          You blindly hate and lie about a corporation, pieces of plastic, and any exclusive games on it. Nobody sane or reasonable will ever consider your blind and hateful opinions on Playstation games. You are just another ignorant, blind fanboy flinging feces and screaming.

          This is the extent of a microsoft shill’s ability to argue. They either blatantly lie, make delusional predictions that never happen, blindly hate on anything Playstation, or just fling feces and scream. Another sick, dumb, evil microsoft shill flinging feces in the face of facts, reality, and reasonable arguments.

          You are mentally diseased, blind, lying, dumb, ignorant, hypocritical, worthless, pure evil fanboy waste.

          Stop spreading fanboy lies, ignorance, trolling, and blind hate. All of your lies and blind hatred only make you look deranged and sick to normal, sane people.

          More pure evil microsoft shill fanboy waste invading disqus to spread Lies, Ignorance, Blind Hatred.

          You are mentally diseased, lying, vastly ignorant and stupid, worthless, hypocritical, pure evil microsoft shill human waste.

          Big surprise, another article swarming with sick microsoft shill waste spreading lies, ignorance, and blind hatred about Playstation. They are a pestilence.

          Ignorant, sick, shills screaming blind hatred and lies about a corporation, pieces of plastic, any exclusive games on it, and anyone who likes playing on it. Sad.

          Stop spreading fanboy lies, ignorance, trolling, and blind hate. All of your lies and blind hatred only make you look deranged and sick to normal, sane people.

          You are clearly mentally ill and a pathological liar on top of a blind, sick, and evil fanboy.

          You are a Pathological Liar that continues to Pathologically Lie even after being Corrected Multiple Times.

          Stop spreading fanboy lies, ignorance, trolling, and blind hate. All of your lies and blind hatred only make you look deranged and sick to normal, sane people.

          Your Constant Pathological Lies to fuel a deranged hatred of pieces of plastic prove you have mental issues..

          • The Glorious PC Master Race

            Can’t even get your copy paste right any more.

            Losing your grip on reality even further then, derp?