Watch Dogs Can Use Upto 3+ GB Of RAM On PS4/XBO; PC Issues Due To Lack Of VRAM

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Watch Dogs graphics techincal director, Sebastien Viard has commented on the issues with Watch Dogs on PC. According to him, the game can use up to 3+ GB of RAM on the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. Since the PC lacks a unified memory like on consoles, it results in random stutter, especially at the Ultra quality settings even on high-end PC.

Many people are currently experiencing random sutters, even on a high-end PC. Sebastien Viard decided to clarify this issue on twitter and explained how to solve it.

Watch Dogs can use 3+ GB of RAM on NG consoles for graphics, your PC GPU needs enough VRAM for ultra options due to the lack of unified mem

If you experience lag/stutter on a fast PC, try to lower one of those settings to reduce the GPU VRAM usage: texture quality, AA, resolution

Making an open world run on NG & CG consoles + supporting PC is an incredibly complex task, the team did a fantastic job. Congrats guys! : D

If you have less than the required VRAM i.e the 3 GB requirement, then you can expect to see these random stutters. The way to solve this issue is to lower the texture quality, AA and resolution and see if this resolves the issue.

Are you playing Watch Dogs on the PC? Let us know in the comments below.

  • mariano guntin

    other tail that guide us to the crapstorm or smoke bomb of this vram bullshit is that the minimum specs on PC equivalent to PS3 is 6gb system ram and 1 gb vram. so you need bassically an amount of ram to run a PS3 game that will run CRYSIS ON VERY HIGH, THE WITCHER MAXED OUT, AND ANY PS3 GAMES ON PC AT 1080P.

    This is CRAP, they NEVER said that you need 3+gb vram for running the game with recommended settings, and i said recommended because console textures are a normal thing.

    so ps4 using 3gb+ vram on a 900p screen, crap AA and crap shadows quality. GTFO.

  • GodGamerDerp

    Oh boy, an article full of mustard racers chewing their own legs off screaming about peasants and bad PC ports. Not sure how they can hate other people who don’t have the time, money, and/or interest in building and maintaining a gaming PC.

    High end PCs will always be a tiny market, most PC gaming is done on low end PCs playing League of Legends, WoW, or other F2P or MMOs. Console game sales sustain the AAA industry, they’ll get the majority of developer focus most of the time in multiplatform games.

  • DatocanNyvengyn

    Further evidence this nonsense about not enough VRAM being responsible for stuttering on PC is PR BS…

    From Eurogamer:

    “Texture management seems to be the major culprit [affecting performance] – streaming ultra-level assets into and out of RAM simply doesn’t happen fast enough, resulting in noticeable stutter. It’s not a RAM issue based on our testing – we replaced a 3GB GTX 780 Ti with a 6GB GTX Titan, producing the exact same result.”

    I should add, it’s also not a VRAM speed/transmission issue, since both the 780Ti and Titan use GDDR5, and have a much higher memory bandwidths than the PS4…

  • john tong

    you console fag boys do know that games are developed on PC using software such as Autodesk Maya, Autodesk 3dsmax. Fuck consoles. I Got an all in one machine I can play games on ultra watch porn use autodesk maya for animation use my xbox 360 controller on it, play dota oh wait you fukers cant play strategy games.

    • Alaethancar

      You sir are an idiot. Maya, 3ds, cinema4d and the like are 3d modelling and animation programs. At most they are used for creating the models and ani keys. The heavy lifting is done with game engines, like unity, snowdrift and unreal. The only modelling program that comes to mind with an integrated game engine is blender.
      The requirements for most engines could easily be handled with a mostly stock console, but the mouse/keyboard interface is standard with Pc and optimizing an engine for console programming/os isn’t financially worth the effort.
      Please do your homework before you make ignorant comments.

    • GodGamerDerp

      You sound upset that PS4 is the more powerful console, has more developer support, a large number of 1st party studios, and is outselling Xbox by ~3.5 million. Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

      It’s good to know you’re completely wrong and raging against facts and reality, and nothing you say will happen. I’m constantly right, you’re constantly wrong.

      No Sony exclusive 1st party games have been downgraded from their initial reveals. Every major Xbox One exclusive launch game was downgraded from its reveal, some minor and some major. Microsoft fanboys are desperately trying to pin anything on a PS4 exclusive.

      The real “god gaming race” owns both a good PC and consoles, and they find your lies and ignorance disgraceful.

      Both PS4 and Xbox will have good exclusive games, high end PCs are best for multiplatform games if you have the time, money, and effort to build and maintain one.

      PC and PS4 are different markets with different pros and cons. PS4 has price/performance and simplicity, PCs have a higher potential performance, but generally more expensive and requires time and knowledge to buy, build, and maintain one.

      PS4 has some interesting architecture benefits over traditional split CPU/GPU split memory pool PCs, and other GPGPU customizations. PS4 is comparable to a mid range PC at 1.84TF considering the APU and GPGPU architecture benefits and low level single platform coding. For $400 you get a lot of price/performance, more than a $400 PC would get you. PS4 is better than most PCs. PS4 will have lots of good exclusives, both console only and PS4 only.

      Xbox/PC fanboys seem to be on a war on people too poor or unwilling/unable to spend time and money buying, building, and maintaining a PC. Mustard race claiming they can afford multi-thousand dollar PCs but too poor to buy a $200-400 console.

      Both PS4 and Xbox will have good exclusive games, high end PCs are best for multiplatform games if you have the time, money, and effort to build and maintain one. Only deranged fanboys keep chewing their own legs off screaming about “PS4 peasants”.

      Mustards don’t have “a point”, they just hate anyone who doesn’t have the time, money, or interest in building and maintaining a PC, and hate the fact that consoles offer a comparable gaming experience and exclusive games they can’t have. Unless they grow up and buy a console themselves, which isn’t that expensive compared to their imaginary quad SLI 4k PCs.

      Oh boy, an article full of mustard racers chewing their own legs off screaming about peasants and bad PC ports. Not sure how they can hate other people who don’t have the time, money, and/or interest in building and maintaining a gaming PC.

      High end PCs will always be a tiny market, most PC gaming is done on low end PCs playing League of Legends, WoW, or other F2P or MMOs. Console game sales sustain the AAA industry, they’ll get the majority of developer focus most of the time in multiplatform games. Just because someone builds a $1000+ PC doesn’t mean anyone is obligated to make games for them.

      I assume you pirate everything including Windows. PC master parasite more like it. Console game sales sustain the AAA industry. If it were all PC most games would be free to play or always online MMO type games that can’t be pirated, i.e. League of Legends, World of Warcraft, etc.

      PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt. I’m constantly right, as usual.

      It seems most people are ignoring attempts to downplay PS4’s stronger hardware and buying PS4s anyway.

      Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

      “IT’S BASICALLY THE SAME THING, NOBODY CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE, STOP BUYING PS4S!”

      Every time another article arrives where PS4 runs better than Xbox One, all the microsoft xbox shills come crawling out hiding behind high end PCs to attack it. Transparently sad and pathetic damage control. Sorry, it’s still underpowered and overpriced and most people don’t want it.

      Clueless and deceptive PC “builds” that leave out any accessories, an optical drive, or the $90 Windows license, cute. I love how the “next gen crusher” only has 4GB DDR3 RAM, under Watch Dogs minimum recommended 6GB, a CPU that Watch Dogs will choke on, and a bargain basement $20 case and $27 PSU. That thing would die trying to run Watch Dogs, LOL.

      Let’s take the $412.86 “next gen crusher” add the $90 Windows 8 License (because we’re not pirating parasites like you), and $50 for a decent mouse and keyboard that won’t fall apart after a month. Actual price? $552.82 for a PC that doesn’t even meet the minimum Watch Dogs PC specs. Whoops.

      All you’re doing is proving you don’t know the real price of building a PC.

      You sound upset that developers aren’t catering to the tiny number of high end PC users that actually pay for their games.,

  • Manoj Varughese

    classic case of poor optimization job.

  • Bitaljus

    “due to the lack of unified mem” – more like “due to the lack of coders doing there job” – 1 year ago i was reading both nvidia(cuda 6) and amd(hUMA) have unified mem if u want to use it.

  • alex

    So ubi, why cripple my 290x or fellow gamers with titans or 780 ti’s? Stop making excuses for poor optimization. Although im playing at 1080p,ultra with 4msaa at 38-45 fps, or 30-33 fps with 8msaa i cannot feel sad that your game runs poor even on nvidias recomended ultra config.I was laughing when i saw on msi afterburner that 3.6gb of vram was without a reason “taken” away.

    • GodGamerDerp

      You sound upset that developers aren’t catering to the tiny number of high end PC users that actually pay for their games.

      • alex

        That tiny number proved to be a little less than half a million as ive seen from watch dogs sales. Ive been covered from exclusives by owning both next gen consoles, but when a game is m u l t i platform it means that its developed to WORK on all the hardware that is shipped to.
        Giving 50 euros and supporting the devs on a platform full of free choices, i demand that the game works without changing config files,waiting patches, or listening the developers to lower settings on a machine that i paid to run everything.

  • ImonadrugcalledCharlieSheen

    So something about the consoles is better then PC, oh man this is going to piss the elitists off, watch em lose their minds LOL.

  • Superman1

    WD PS4 version is amazing. 3gb vram ultra textures + stable frame rate

    • mariano guntin

      900p, 30fps “stable” frame rate… yeah, amazing. (?)

  • Dynasty2021

    Errrr, no Ubisoft. Fix the coding.

    People with 3 and 4GB cards are getting massive stuttering. Do you not read your own forums? This isn’t a hardware issue.

    You just built the engine for the pathetic console hardware and neglected the PC version, again.

    This is bullshit optimization, end of story. You’re lazy developers. You want to know WHY so many of your games get pirated?

    If you can’t be bothered to make the PC version better, why should we give you our money?

    • GodGamerDerp

      High end PCs will always be a tiny market, most PC gaming is done on low end PCs playing League of Legends, WoW, or other F2P or MMOs. Console game sales sustain the AAA industry, they’ll get the majority of developer focus most of the time in multiplatform games. Just because someone builds a $1000+ PC doesn’t mean anyone is obligated to make games for them.

    • disqus_a54470QfBE

      Thats why no real developer puts out games for PC cause of scumbag thieves like you. ie. Rockstar

    • Alex Eriksen

      Pirated game are the reason PC version aren’t given much focus. They only released the game on PC because PC are their dev kit. So, don’t blame on Dev didn’t focus on PC,the blame is on pirated games.

  • PC Elitist

    That last part of his comment :
    ” I don’t really care PC kids have problems , we got our money and we are happy now , it’s all that matters…”

    People with 4GB and even 6GB of VRAM get stutters on ultra .. not to mention even on high textures. And what about system RAM? Console have 8 gb for all.. 6 for games iirc , people on PC got 16-32 gb plus ram on their gfx cards , and it’s still not enough? FU ubisoft

    • Dynasty2021

      16GB+ on their cards?

      Idiot. The max you can get is 4, maybe 6.

      • PC Elitist

        idiot , read again. its clear that i mean that as system ram. you only make an idiot from yourself.

        • Ron Tal

          You said “people on PC got 16-32 gb plus ram on THEIR GFX CARDS”

          • DatocanNyvengyn

            that’s: “people on PC got 16-32GB PLUS ram on their gfx cards” meaning, they have 16-32GB of system ram PLUS, they have additional ram on their gfx cards, too…

      • Rebo00

        Nvidia’s Titan Z has 12GB so not entirely true

    • GodGamerDerp

      You sound upset that PS4 is the more powerful console, has more developer support, a large number of 1st party studios, and is outselling Xbox by ~3.5 million. Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

      It’s good to know you’re completely wrong and raging against facts and reality, and nothing you say will happen. I’m constantly right, you’re constantly wrong.

      No Sony exclusive 1st party games have been downgraded from their initial reveals. Every major Xbox One exclusive launch game was downgraded from its reveal, some minor and some major. Microsoft fanboys are desperately trying to pin anything on a PS4 exclusive.

      The real “god gaming race” owns both a good PC and consoles, and they find your lies and ignorance disgraceful.

      Both PS4 and Xbox will have good exclusive games, high end PCs are best for multiplatform games if you have the time, money, and effort to build and maintain one.

      PC and PS4 are different markets with different pros and cons. PS4 has price/performance and simplicity, PCs have a higher potential performance, but generally more expensive and requires time and knowledge to buy, build, and maintain one.

      PS4 has some interesting architecture benefits over traditional split CPU/GPU split memory pool PCs, and other GPGPU customizations. PS4 is comparable to a mid range PC at 1.84TF considering the APU and GPGPU architecture benefits and low level single platform coding. For $400 you get a lot of price/performance, more than a $400 PC would get you. PS4 is better than most PCs. PS4 will have lots of good exclusives, both console only and PS4 only.

      Xbox/PC fanboys seem to be on a war on people too poor or unwilling/unable to spend time and money buying, building, and maintaining a PC. Mustard race claiming they can afford multi-thousand dollar PCs but too poor to buy a $200-400 console.

      Both PS4 and Xbox will have good exclusive games, high end PCs are best for multiplatform games if you have the time, money, and effort to build and maintain one. Only deranged fanboys keep chewing their own legs off screaming about “PS4 peasants”.

      Mustards don’t have “a point”, they just hate anyone who doesn’t have the time, money, or interest in building and maintaining a PC, and hate the fact that consoles offer a comparable gaming experience and exclusive games they can’t have. Unless they grow up and buy a console themselves, which isn’t that expensive compared to their imaginary quad SLI 4k PCs.

      Oh boy, an article full of mustard racers chewing their own legs off screaming about peasants and bad PC ports. Not sure how they can hate other people who don’t have the time, money, and/or interest in building and maintaining a gaming PC.

      High end PCs will always be a tiny market, most PC gaming is done on low end PCs playing League of Legends, WoW, or other F2P or MMOs. Console game sales sustain the AAA industry, they’ll get the majority of developer focus most of the time in multiplatform games. Just because someone builds a $1000+ PC doesn’t mean anyone is obligated to make games for them.

      I assume you pirate everything including Windows. PC master parasite more like it. Console game sales sustain the AAA industry. If it were all PC most games would be free to play or always online MMO type games that can’t be pirated, i.e. League of Legends, World of Warcraft, etc.

      PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt. I’m constantly right, as usual.

      It seems most people are ignoring attempts to downplay PS4’s stronger hardware and buying PS4s anyway.

      Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

      “IT’S BASICALLY THE SAME THING, NOBODY CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE, STOP BUYING PS4S!”

      Every time another article arrives where PS4 runs better than Xbox One, all the microsoft xbox shills come crawling out hiding behind high end PCs to attack it. Transparently sad and pathetic damage control. Sorry, it’s still underpowered and overpriced and most people don’t want it.

      Clueless and deceptive PC “builds” that leave out any accessories, an optical drive, or the $90 Windows license, cute. I love how the “next gen crusher” only has 4GB DDR3 RAM, under Watch Dogs minimum recommended 6GB, a CPU that Watch Dogs will choke on, and a bargain basement $20 case and $27 PSU. That thing would die trying to run Watch Dogs, LOL.

      Let’s take the $412.86 “next gen crusher” add the $90 Windows 8 License (because we’re not pirating parasites like you), and $50 for a decent mouse and keyboard that won’t fall apart after a month. Actual price? $552.82 for a PC that doesn’t even meet the minimum Watch Dogs PC specs. Whoops.

      All you’re doing is proving you don’t know the real price of building a PC.

      You sound upset that developers aren’t catering to the tiny number of high end PC users that actually pay for their games.

  • Dikan45

    It’s a pain in the ass on PC!!

  • CookieButter

    Those on PC having problem with stutter should try to add ‘ -disablepagefilecheck ‘ after the file location under target. It’s been a big improvement for me as well as the 14.6 beta drivers on AMD which added about 30fps

    • Gamez Rule

      Is it through shortcut, then right click, then add “-disablepagefilecheck” at the end of the target line?

    • Dynasty2021

      This doesn’t work for most people.

      The only solution so far is to change everything that can be set as “Ultra” to “High” instead, until Ubisoft sort out the coding through a patch.

  • Dennis Crosby

    Does any know how long watch dogs was in development

  • Razma

    i have a brand new 780 ti which only comes with 3GB of ram. it’s possibly the most powerful single card on the planet aside from the titan black. and you’re saying it’s not good enough? that’s crap optimization on your part. my 12GB of DDR3 is just sitting there being underutilized, and my CPU barely gets anywhere near maxing out.

    • Guest

      You have the “next gen” consoles to thank for this. Remember the E3 2012 footage running on a PS4 supposedly? LOL, that never became true in the slightest and we got a gimped PC version that doesn’t even look as great either when it should be the ultimate version to play.
      Developers are apparently making Anonymous posts on the Ubi forums about the bull they had to endure during development. It’s a really sad state of affairs what gaming has become.

      • Razma

        on a related note, lets stop calling them next gen consoles, theyve been out for 6 months, theyre current gen now, and just like last gen they are already holding back the PC

        • Dylan Harris

          that is the stupidest thing you pc masterrace fanboys could say. there is nothing stopping the developers from throwing in better graphics or more features for the PC if they wanted to, so just stop sounding ignorant. I’d like to see your supposedly soooo much better PC’s try to run GTA5 on 512mb of ram, with the graphics that are on 360 and ps3. it cant be done. consoles dont have to worry about overhead, about the OS taking resources, about the drivers, about all the different hardware, so just stop sounding ignorant.

          • Dynasty2021

            I love how you’re just an ignorant, uninformed console fanboy.

            Consoles are ruining the gaming industry as devs can’t add in things like new AI coding, as the consoles lack the bandwidth (that’s power to you console peasants).

            The new consoles aren’t powerful enough to do anything new. End of story.

          • F

            Without consoles you wouldn’t have these games. $$$$$$ ZZZZZZ. I get tired of these pc elitist and their ramblings about consoles holding them back.

          • Jonathan O.

            Still, best looking games for now are Ryse: Son of Rome (which is Xbox One only) and inFAMOUS: Secons Son (which is PS4 only). But feel free to continue jerking off about meaningless digits.

          • Rahul

            Seriously?

            Come on guy, you disagree with the console fancy but don’t sound much better yourself.

            “Consoles are ruining the gaming industry”

            No they’re not, consoles are helping keep the gaming industry alive.

          • Rahul

            Sorry, meant to say console fanboy*

          • GodGamerDerp

            You sound upset that PS4 is the more powerful console, has more developer support, a large number of 1st party studios, and is outselling Xbox by ~3.5 million. Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

            It’s good to know you’re completely wrong and raging against facts and reality, and nothing you say will happen. I’m constantly right, you’re constantly wrong.

            No Sony exclusive 1st party games have been downgraded from their initial reveals. Every major Xbox One exclusive launch game was downgraded from its reveal, some minor and some major. Microsoft fanboys are desperately trying to pin anything on a PS4 exclusive.

            The real “god gaming race” owns both a good PC and consoles, and they find your lies and ignorance disgraceful.

            Both PS4 and Xbox will have good exclusive games, high end PCs are best for multiplatform games if you have the time, money, and effort to build and maintain one.

            PC and PS4 are different markets with different pros and cons. PS4 has price/performance and simplicity, PCs have a higher potential performance, but generally more expensive and requires time and knowledge to buy, build, and maintain one.

            PS4 has some interesting architecture benefits over traditional split CPU/GPU split memory pool PCs, and other GPGPU customizations. PS4 is comparable to a mid range PC at 1.84TF considering the APU and GPGPU architecture benefits and low level single platform coding. For $400 you get a lot of price/performance, more than a $400 PC would get you. PS4 is better than most PCs. PS4 will have lots of good exclusives, both console only and PS4 only.

            Xbox/PC fanboys seem to be on a war on people too poor or unwilling/unable to spend time and money buying, building, and maintaining a PC. Mustard race claiming they can afford multi-thousand dollar PCs but too poor to buy a $200-400 console.

            Both PS4 and Xbox will have good exclusive games, high end PCs are best for multiplatform games if you have the time, money, and effort to build and maintain one. Only deranged fanboys keep chewing their own legs off screaming about “PS4 peasants”.

            Mustards don’t have “a point”, they just hate anyone who doesn’t have the time, money, or interest in building and maintaining a PC, and hate the fact that consoles offer a comparable gaming experience and exclusive games they can’t have. Unless they grow up and buy a console themselves, which isn’t that expensive compared to their imaginary quad SLI 4k PCs.

            Oh boy, an article full of mustard racers chewing their own legs off screaming about peasants and bad PC ports. Not sure how they can hate other people who don’t have the time, money, and/or interest in building and maintaining a gaming PC.

            High end PCs will always be a tiny market, most PC gaming is done on low end PCs playing League of Legends, WoW, or other F2P or MMOs. Console game sales sustain the AAA industry, they’ll get the majority of developer focus most of the time in multiplatform games. Just because someone builds a $1000+ PC doesn’t mean anyone is obligated to make games for them.

            I assume you pirate everything including Windows. PC master parasite more like it. Console game sales sustain the AAA industry. If it were all PC most games would be free to play or always online MMO type games that can’t be pirated, i.e. League of Legends, World of Warcraft, etc.

            PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt. I’m constantly right, as usual.

            It seems most people are ignoring attempts to downplay PS4’s stronger hardware and buying PS4s anyway.

            Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

            “IT’S BASICALLY THE SAME THING, NOBODY CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE, STOP BUYING PS4S!”

            Every time another article arrives where PS4 runs better than Xbox One, all the microsoft xbox shills come crawling out hiding behind high end PCs to attack it. Transparently sad and pathetic damage control. Sorry, it’s still underpowered and overpriced and most people don’t want it.

            Clueless and deceptive PC “builds” that leave out any accessories, an optical drive, or the $90 Windows license, cute. I love how the “next gen crusher” only has 4GB DDR3 RAM, under Watch Dogs minimum recommended 6GB, a CPU that Watch Dogs will choke on, and a bargain basement $20 case and $27 PSU. That thing would die trying to run Watch Dogs, LOL.

            Let’s take the $412.86 “next gen crusher” add the $90 Windows 8 License (because we’re not pirating parasites like you), and $50 for a decent mouse and keyboard that won’t fall apart after a month. Actual price? $552.82 for a PC that doesn’t even meet the minimum Watch Dogs PC specs. Whoops.

            All you’re doing is proving you don’t know the real price of building a PC.

          • disqus_a54470QfBE

            Shut up you scumbag thief DYNASTY

          • overthemountain

            You are one big LOSER!!!!! A go nowhere type of guy.

          • disqus_a54470QfBE

            Hahaha takes one to know one eh loser. Go eat a penis, you cum guzzling go nowhere, fag type of guy

          • overthemountain

            Hope your family recovers from cancer fast lol Rot queeeeerboy

          • disqus_a54470QfBE

            Oooh the ol cancer!

          • mariano guntin

            GTA 5 is not on PC. ps3 and xbox360 are systems based in other computer technology (PowerPC, IBM) , PS4 xone are x86 PCs with laptop characteristics. You have a strong SO running on a PC and on a PS4 that didn’t was there in a PS3.
            At 720p with that graphic quality you could run most console games on 256vram cards, the system ram needed is highger because there is Windows on a PC running.

            The “taking resources” runs for PS4 and xbox one too. They said from sony that the system will use ONLY 5 gb of ram, leaving 3 for the SO.

            A computer with a 2gb card and 8 gb system ram has 10 gb in total. GTA IV on PC has a command line to switch the textures being loaded in vram to system ram, so even if you have a 256vram card you can play with high textures PC only working in the system ddr2+ ram.

            This 3gb+ vram is bullshit because of laziness and marketing, nvidia or amd don’t have any problem with people running to buy a new 4 or 6 gb card…….

          • Shorty20122012 .

            Actually you’re wrong. The problem is with optimization and memory leaks. If a program is telling you that your gpu isn’t even reaching 100% utilization and you have a fast quad core or your memory is leaking, then that’s clearly an optimization issue. An issue that most of the new console ports have. They just haven’t figured out wtf they’re doing yet.

        • Dynasty2021

          720p. 900p. 30 FPS.

          They’ve NEVER been next-gen.

          • Zero AMD

            @Dynasty2021 Sounds like someone has a superiority complex. From what we know, we can tell that the system req. for Watch_dogs is low, but suffers from a memory issue. I mean if you believe quad cores, 6gb Ram, and 1gb Vram(minimum specs for Watch_Dogs) of ram is “high end”, then I think you need to rethink your method of debate. The 8th Gen console are improving PC gaming even though PC suffers from Min/Max development. The game is only as good as its lowest hardware component. 8th Gen consoles have 8 cores, 8gb of unified Gddr5 Ram; I think the 8th Gen console meet or come very close to recommended PC requirements. Next time, please try to understand what you are talking about before you type. – ZAMD

          • DatocanNyvengyn

            “8th Gen consoles have 8 cores, 8gb of unified Gddr5 Ram; I think the 8th Gen
            console meet or come very close to recommended PC requirements.”

            The 8th Gen consoles–particularly PS4, with its more robust graphics system–
            *seem* to meet or come close to the recommended PC requirements, but it’s complicated; the 8th gen consoles also fall short of the recommended PC requisites in some ways. And, it’s important to note, most of the deficits are made up for with custom programming and hardcore optimization (like how a PS3, with a 4-gen-old video card and 512MB RAM, can run God of War 3 and Last of Us–lots and lots of dedicated custom programming; tricks; and optimization, optimization; optimization). But in just stacking specs directly, first, you’re comparing 4 rather powerful, desktop processor cores (hyper-threaded in the case of Intel), clocking at over 3-4 GHz, to 8 very weak, low-spec–essentially mobile platform–Jaguar cores clocked at sub 2GHz (1.6 for PS4 and 1.75 for XB1). Even without the doubling of core clock speed, current Intel & AMD desktop lines outpace Jaguar clock-for-clock; parallel stacking notwithstanding.

            Not only that, it’s ABSOLUTE AND TOTAL BS that this stuttering issue is VRAM
            related… How do I know? Because in the post, the Sebastien Viard claims “PC GPU
            needs enough VRAM for ultra options” Did you catch that? Ultra options… 3GB of ram is the requisite for setting Watch Dogs to ULTRA (when you choose to select Ultra on the PC version, the game confirms as much). The next gen console versions AREN’T USING THE ULTRA OPTIONS. Which means they shouldn’t be using 3GB+ of ram for visuals! How are they claiming they’re using greater than 3GB RAM for PS4 and XB1 visuals when creative director Jonathan Morin already confirmed the NG console settings are equivalent to the PC version on “High” (NOT ULTRA)?? How are they claiming they’re using more than 3GB RAM for visuals running sub 1080P–PS4 is running at 900P; XB1 at 792P?? Also, neither console uses textures of the same size, quality or resolution of the PC’s Ultra setting; neither system uses advanced HBAO+; neither uses TSMAA (things that, when coupled with HiRes textures increase VRAM usage)… Morin also explained that the 8th gen console versions were missing “one or two” of the advanced effects…so why is a version that has FEWER advanced features; running at a lower res; capped at a lower FPS; requiring 3GB+ of VRAM when the solution to end PC stuttering is to “turn the options down to ‘High’ and lower the resolution’,” essentially, in effect, turn the specs down to NG console levels, thereby decreasing the VRAM required??

            Here’s another thing: Digital Foundary revealed, about a year ago, that of the 8GB
            of PS4 RAM, 3GB are dedicated to OS footprint, background programs and standard
            system apps; leaving only 5GB of ram actually availble to programmers for games.
            Total Xbox revealed a similar case for the XB1–only about 5GB of 8GB available
            for gaming (For comparison, Windows 7 only uses about 250MB and even with startup
            programs and apps, most modern PCs start with well less than 1GB of system overhead). That means the 8th Gen consoles are already running a system memory deficit on a game that supposedly requires a full 6GB of system ram on PC just to boot up, AND an additional 1GB of VRAM. If PS4 and XB1 are shifting 3GB+ of their 5GB available ram to graphics that means, at times, THERE ARE LESS THAN 2GB OF SYSTEM RAM LEFT OPEN FOR REGULAR GAME PROCESSES…on a game that demands at least 6GB of system RAM… Yeaaaaaaahhh…..

          • Zero AMD

            Someone doesn’t know how simple computing works. The main issues with pc is that its processes are split. With the 8th Gen consoles, they use one large pool of Ram that can be cleared and used up if and when needed. Benefits of unified ram. I have a FX-8350/650ti and can run the game on high while broadcasting at 40 fps and only using 30% of my CPU when just playing the game… but thanks for the facts sheet… I bet you used CTRL+C & CTRL+V alot.

          • DatocanNyvengyn

            First off, you arrogant tweed, I wasn’t copying and pasting; just backing up facts with actual verifiable citation and numbers… instead of spouting speculative guess-work like, “I think the 8th Gen console meet or come very close to recommended PC requirements.” with absolutely no apparent grasp of the difference in game processing potential between a low-powered Jaguar and a mainstream Sandy or Ivy Bridge with nearly 3 times the clock rate…

            I made several points, all apparently lost on you… But I’ll try again, and scale it down this time–and since I’m such a nice guy, this time, I’ll put it in more simple terms, and won’t use any pesky sourcing this time, as not to throw you off–

            1) The deficit in power between next gen consoles and gaming PCs are made up for by dedicated programming and optimization–when you’re seeing Watch Dogs run well on a PS4, and stutter on a Core i7 with 3GB of dedicated VRAM, it’s not due to any inherent ability in the PS4 to “come close to the recommended PC requirements” as you may believe. Simply, the PC version suffers from bad coding…

            2) You completely misunderstood Viard’s point about unified memory. He
            wasn’t saying the consoles had some marvelous advantage *because* they used unified memory, he was pointing out that the PS4 has access to, and apparently uses, over 3GB of RAM for visuals at times, therefore a PC needs at least 3GB dedicated VRAM to enable Ultra options (Since most cards in wide circulation do not tend to not have 3GB VRAM,and because PCs lack unified memory, when the GPU is deficient in VRAM it cannot borrow system ram like the consoles)…. but again… his sentiment is
            likely BS because:

            – Some PC users on Ultra with cards that have more than 3GB VRAM report experiencing stuttering, and some on Ultra users with 3GB VRAM cards are not!! There are widely reported inconsistencies in performance, regardless of VRAM… poor optimization; Bad coding…

            3) Viard is comparing the requisite memory requirements for Ultra spec’d textures and enhancements which ARE NOT PRESENT/ACTIVE ON THE PS4, so when he says the PS4 is gobbling 3GB+ of system ram for visuals and PCs need more VRAM, I call foul… PARTICULARLY when forums all over the net, and Digital Foundary concur that even cards with much higher dedicated VRAM are experiencing stuttering… again, it’s not a memory access advantage, it’s bad coding, mate…

            4) You level the accusation of not knowing how simple computing works but then seem to confuse the advantage of a shared RAM pool–which is, simply, reduced latency between GPU and CPU data transfers–with some magically overstated ability of Next Gen consoles to almost wholly and seamlessly unify all GPU and CPU processes. A typical gaming PC with the recommended specs listed for Watchdogs carries such a high general bandwidth advantage that it far outweighs the small transfer perk of the 8th gen consoles’ unified memory architecture… bad coding…

            5) When the patch comes and the jabroni devs correct the problems that shouldn’t’ve been around in the first place; eliminate the stuttering, and the PC version runs like it’s supposed to run, your entire BS “Benefits of unified ram” argument will be shown to be the crock that it is….

          • Zero AMD

            Not arrogant, but just stating how the game runs better on the ps4 than my pc atm. Clearly bad coding on ubi’s part. The game doesn’t even touch my cpu… what a joke.

          • GodGamerDerp

            You sound upset that PS4 is the more powerful console, has more developer support, a large number of 1st party studios, and is outselling Xbox by ~3.5 million. Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

            It’s good to know you’re completely wrong and raging against facts and reality, and nothing you say will happen. I’m constantly right, you’re constantly wrong.

            No Sony exclusive 1st party games have been downgraded from their initial reveals. Every major Xbox One exclusive launch game was downgraded from its reveal, some minor and some major. Microsoft fanboys are desperately trying to pin anything on a PS4 exclusive.

            The real “god gaming race” owns both a good PC and consoles, and they find your lies and ignorance disgraceful.

            Both PS4 and Xbox will have good exclusive games, high end PCs are best for multiplatform games if you have the time, money, and effort to build and maintain one.

            PC and PS4 are different markets with different pros and cons. PS4 has price/performance and simplicity, PCs have a higher potential performance, but generally more expensive and requires time and knowledge to buy, build, and maintain one.

            PS4 has some interesting architecture benefits over traditional split CPU/GPU split memory pool PCs, and other GPGPU customizations. PS4 is comparable to a mid range PC at 1.84TF considering the APU and GPGPU architecture benefits and low level single platform coding. For $400 you get a lot of price/performance, more than a $400 PC would get you. PS4 is better than most PCs. PS4 will have lots of good exclusives, both console only and PS4 only.

            Xbox/PC fanboys seem to be on a war on people too poor or unwilling/unable to spend time and money buying, building, and maintaining a PC. Mustard race claiming they can afford multi-thousand dollar PCs but too poor to buy a $200-400 console.

            Both PS4 and Xbox will have good exclusive games, high end PCs are best for multiplatform games if you have the time, money, and effort to build and maintain one. Only deranged fanboys keep chewing their own legs off screaming about “PS4 peasants”.

            Mustards don’t have “a point”, they just hate anyone who doesn’t have the time, money, or interest in building and maintaining a PC, and hate the fact that consoles offer a comparable gaming experience and exclusive games they can’t have. Unless they grow up and buy a console themselves, which isn’t that expensive compared to their imaginary quad SLI 4k PCs.

            Oh boy, an article full of mustard racers chewing their own legs off screaming about peasants and bad PC ports. Not sure how they can hate other people who don’t have the time, money, and/or interest in building and maintaining a gaming PC.

            High end PCs will always be a tiny market, most PC gaming is done on low end PCs playing League of Legends, WoW, or other F2P or MMOs. Console game sales sustain the AAA industry, they’ll get the majority of developer focus most of the time in multiplatform games. Just because someone builds a $1000+ PC doesn’t mean anyone is obligated to make games for them.

            I assume you pirate everything including Windows. PC master parasite more like it. Console game sales sustain the AAA industry. If it were all PC most games would be free to play or always online MMO type games that can’t be pirated, i.e. League of Legends, World of Warcraft, etc.

            PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt. I’m constantly right, as usual.

            It seems most people are ignoring attempts to downplay PS4’s stronger hardware and buying PS4s anyway.

            Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

            “IT’S BASICALLY THE SAME THING, NOBODY CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE, STOP BUYING PS4S!”

            Every time another article arrives where PS4 runs better than Xbox One, all the microsoft xbox shills come crawling out hiding behind high end PCs to attack it. Transparently sad and pathetic damage control. Sorry, it’s still underpowered and overpriced and most people don’t want it.

            Clueless and deceptive PC “builds” that leave out any accessories, an optical drive, or the $90 Windows license, cute. I love how the “next gen crusher” only has 4GB DDR3 RAM, under Watch Dogs minimum recommended 6GB, a CPU that Watch Dogs will choke on, and a bargain basement $20 case and $27 PSU. That thing would die trying to run Watch Dogs, LOL.

            Let’s take the $412.86 “next gen crusher” add the $90 Windows 8 License (because we’re not pirating parasites like you), and $50 for a decent mouse and keyboard that won’t fall apart after a month. Actual price? $552.82 for a PC that doesn’t even meet the minimum Watch Dogs PC specs. Whoops.

            All you’re doing is proving you don’t know the real price of building a PC.

            You sound upset that developers aren’t catering to the tiny number of high end PC users that actually pay for their games.

          • GodGamerDerp

            You sound upset that developers aren’t catering to the tiny number of high end PC users that actually pay for their games.

          • DatocanNyvengyn

            I’m annoyed that Ubisoft–a publishing house with a history of engaging in borderline anti-PC practices (from being one of the first publishing houses to apply the unnecessary $10 ‘console tax’ to new PC games; to their widely criticized inflexible always-on DRM schemes; to releasing more than a few half-assed hack jobs like the PC version of From Dust; to their team-member’s outspoken negative remarks about the PC gaming market), who came to the table–just last year, mind you–spouting PR promises about wanting to “improve its relationship with the PC community” is now showing this kind of disrespect to the community. I’d, personally, written off Ubisoft years ago, specifically because of all their flagrant negativity regarding PC as a platform/consumer market. But I came back around for all the promises of renewed interest and goodwill…I picked up Far Cry 3…and I enjoyed the experience so much, I even sprung for Blood Dragon…I picked up Rocksmith, Stick of Truth (pre-ordered) and even went ahead and purchased some of the Prince of Persia reboots I skipped while I was protesting their policies… I was actually looking forward to the Division (after their ‘will we release it on PC or not’ shadiness, pre-official platform announcement). Now, however, with this nonsense–the release of a shoddy port and the following utterly BS cover from Sebastian Viard…it’s seems evident the company, as a publishing house, simply has little business being in the PC market…I suppose they don’t think the market is important enough to provide consistent quality products and experiences? Not enough market share to warrant the attention, perhaps? And that’s fine, seriously, I’d personally prefer Ubi just vacate the PC gaming sphere entirely, rather than provide a constant stream of disservice, bad ports, ill will, false statements, excuses and disrespect.

          • GodGamerDerp

            Yeah yeah. Just admit high end PCs are a tiny market and devs don’t have the financial interest in targeting it. It’s BUSINESS after all.

          • DatocanNyvengyn

            Plenty of devs and publishers who respect the market and platform have no problem making an absolute killing on PC… Small-minded devs and publishers who think like you should, as I said, vacate the platform and save everyone the hassle… it is BUSINESS after all, if a dev/pub continually dumps shyte products, poor service and lame excuses on a particular segment of clientele, THAT’S BAD BUSINESS. It’s better for both parties, in that case, for said dev/pub to just quit serving a market it clearly values so little… I’m absolutely fine with devs/pubs who think like you pissing off, exiting PC, and hawking their garbage elsewhere… The void will be filled; no real loss…

          • GodGamerDerp

            You sound upset that PS4 is the more powerful console, has more developer support, a large number of 1st party studios, and is outselling Xbox by ~3.5 million. Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

            It’s good to know you’re completely wrong and raging against facts and reality, and nothing you say will happen. I’m constantly right, you’re constantly wrong.

            No Sony exclusive 1st party games have been downgraded from their initial reveals. Every major Xbox One exclusive launch game was downgraded from its reveal, some minor and some major. Microsoft fanboys are desperately trying to pin anything on a PS4 exclusive.

            The real “god gaming race” owns both a good PC and consoles, and they find your lies and ignorance disgraceful.

            Both PS4 and Xbox will have good exclusive games, high end PCs are best for multiplatform games if you have the time, money, and effort to build and maintain one.

            PC and PS4 are different markets with different pros and cons. PS4 has price/performance and simplicity, PCs have a higher potential performance, but generally more expensive and requires time and knowledge to buy, build, and maintain one.

            PS4 has some interesting architecture benefits over traditional split CPU/GPU split memory pool PCs, and other GPGPU customizations. PS4 is comparable to a mid range PC at 1.84TF considering the APU and GPGPU architecture benefits and low level single platform coding. For $400 you get a lot of price/performance, more than a $400 PC would get you. PS4 is better than most PCs. PS4 will have lots of good exclusives, both console only and PS4 only.

            Xbox/PC fanboys seem to be on a war on people too poor or unwilling/unable to spend time and money buying, building, and maintaining a PC. Mustard race claiming they can afford multi-thousand dollar PCs but too poor to buy a $200-400 console.

            Both PS4 and Xbox will have good exclusive games, high end PCs are best for multiplatform games if you have the time, money, and effort to build and maintain one. Only deranged fanboys keep chewing their own legs off screaming about “PS4 peasants”.

            Mustards don’t have “a point”, they just hate anyone who doesn’t have the time, money, or interest in building and maintaining a PC, and hate the fact that consoles offer a comparable gaming experience and exclusive games they can’t have. Unless they grow up and buy a console themselves, which isn’t that expensive compared to their imaginary quad SLI 4k PCs.

            Oh boy, an article full of mustard racers chewing their own legs off screaming about peasants and bad PC ports. Not sure how they can hate other people who don’t have the time, money, and/or interest in building and maintaining a gaming PC.

            High end PCs will always be a tiny market, most PC gaming is done on low end PCs playing League of Legends, WoW, or other F2P or MMOs. Console game sales sustain the AAA industry, they’ll get the majority of developer focus most of the time in multiplatform games. Just because someone builds a $1000+ PC doesn’t mean anyone is obligated to make games for them.

            I assume you pirate everything including Windows. PC master parasite more like it. Console game sales sustain the AAA industry. If it were all PC most games would be free to play or always online MMO type games that can’t be pirated, i.e. League of Legends, World of Warcraft, etc.

            PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt. I’m constantly right, as usual.

            It seems most people are ignoring attempts to downplay PS4’s stronger hardware and buying PS4s anyway.

            Keep shilling and spinning while everyone else ignores you and buys more PS4s.

            “IT’S BASICALLY THE SAME THING, NOBODY CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE, STOP BUYING PS4S!”

            Every time another article arrives where PS4 runs better than Xbox One, all the microsoft xbox shills come crawling out hiding behind high end PCs to attack it. Transparently sad and pathetic damage control. Sorry, it’s still underpowered and overpriced and most people don’t want it.

            Clueless and deceptive PC “builds” that leave out any accessories, an optical drive, or the $90 Windows license, cute. I love how the “next gen crusher” only has 4GB DDR3 RAM, under Watch Dogs minimum recommended 6GB, a CPU that Watch Dogs will choke on, and a bargain basement $20 case and $27 PSU. That thing would die trying to run Watch Dogs, LOL.

            Let’s take the $412.86 “next gen crusher” add the $90 Windows 8 License (because we’re not pirating parasites like you), and $50 for a decent mouse and keyboard that won’t fall apart after a month. Actual price? $552.82 for a PC that doesn’t even meet the minimum Watch Dogs PC specs. Whoops.

            All you’re doing is proving you don’t know the real price of building a PC.
            ,

        • Alex Eriksen

          lol.. console ruining games? Console are keeping the game industry alive. Ahem.. please tell me how many PC games in the world buy original PC games? Half of the world PC masterracer are playing pirated game. Console are keeping game industry alive. That is why nowadays there seldom PC Exclusive games. So, you should blame your own PC masterracers kind who ruin game industry by pirating games. PC gamers should experience the game industry to feet what the Dev felt when their game are played for free after a long time of development and hardwork.

      • Shorty20122012 .

        Show us some posts of developers complaining on Ubi forum. I smell some bullshit.

    • disqus_a54470QfBE

      Lol sucks to be you! Lol

  • pterois

    It does’t run well with 3GB of VRAM. Using Ultra textures which supposedly have a 3GB requirement causes really bad stuttering. The textures really make a big difference and it’s a shame not to be able to use them. Probably more titles could have similar requirements when optimized for the new gen unified memory. Next flagship GPU’s should certainly come with more memory and 6GB should be the minimum.

    • Gamez Rule

      I’m using a 7990 which has 6GB of RAM and getting stutter. I dropped from 1200p to 1080p and still got stutter, so I started dropping textures, AA, ect and that’s when it seemed better. On my PS4 it’s fine with no stutter that I can tell.

      • pterois

        Unfortunately it’s the memory of each individual GPU that is being used so in the 7990’s case that’s 3GB that is indeed a bottleneck and causes stutter. I have a 780ti 3GB and it’s the same thing. Setting the textures at high helps a lot and by opting for SMAA or temporal SMAA and the default Ultra setting I get around 100 fps with some occasional drops to 90s or mid 80s.

        • Gamez Rule

          I tried the 14.6 drivers, and those were really bad, so I rolled back to 13.251 drivers and STILL having problems?

      • awesome_farts

        Of course the ps4 (and xb1) have no stutter. They’re locked at 30 fps. And are sub 1080p. Change ur resolution to 1600 x 900 or 1404 x 792 (xb1) and cap ur fps to 30 and you’ll stop stuttering.

        • Gamez Rule

          I know what you mean but people shouldn’t really need to do the above to stop stutter on PCs, but IMO PS4 ( locked or not ) runs fine and looks awesome for a console without having the PC headaches.